Coaching Changes (poll)

[Cover3]

I would have liked to see a Fire Gary Barta option, because he is spineless and a horrific AD. Allow a new AD with a sack to put KF in check!

I feel my reasons are rational:
1) Nothing will change as long as KF is coach. KOK and Norm will still be there.
2) If by some crazy change KOK and Norm are gone KF is as stubborn as a mule and not change a thing.
3) KF plays not to lose. The best play call in KFs career was made by Drew Tate not KF!
4) Every one says that KF has done such great things. Never been to the Rose Bowl never have won an out right BigTen, and it's been 7 years since we shared it. (fans drove Alford out for less). What is he 89-60? Middle of the pack in a terrible big 10 dose not work for me. Is it really any harder to recruit to IC then Boise or Oklahoma?
5) He is one of the top paid coaches in college football. Everyone above him has won a NC, and some bellow him. What are we paying for exactly?

Those are just my top 5.

That post left me dizzy from simultaneous agreement and disagreement.

I know nothing about ADs, but Barta seems like a good guy and representative. He fired Lick, his own hire, not a real ballsy move in this case, but he easily could have given Lick another year. Anyhow...

1) Agree, aside from proabable Norm retirement (if not this year, then sometime by 2020 for sure).
2) Agree generally. He has changed for the more conservative since 2005, imo.
3) Agree, he plays not to lose. Not sure if that was the greatest play CALL, but that was all Tate and LSU's secondary.
4) Disagree. Kirk has done great things. He's gotten the program a very good rep and good exposure. He has missed a couple big chances at sustaining/expanding that rep ('05 and '10), though, and it could be virtually gone with a couple more years of non-relevance. It is WAY harder to recruit to here than Oklahoma. It should be easier to recruit here than Boise, but I've always felt they would struggle to go any more than 6-2 in the B1G, maybe 5-3 some years.
5) We're paying for Big Ten title contention. It's been notably absent most years since 2004. I agree with most that we have to start cleaning up against Minnesota and NW if we want to achieve that.

 

[BackNBlk]

Tell me about this “same” crap stuff…..

This year I saw Iowa play man to man with Hyde and Prater lot more than ever, no secret we got beat deep more. I watched us run nickel, dime, 3-4,4-3 blitz from the sfty level, CB level, all 3 Lbers, change out personnel multiple times…. in short…. what the internet coaches said we needed to do and then we’d win……guess what we didn’t win. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t the scheme and the play calling….

I know, I know that just couldn’t be. Never mind the fact that hordes and hordes of other great coaches and teams lost multiple games this year and last, its certainly just “our” scheme that’s bad…..well except of course in the 7 games we won…..

Chad

Chad, these are the same complaints all the time. They say we are too conservative, yet we pass on 3rd and 4 from the Minnesota 14 and get sacked when playing conservative says to run (which was working well). If you don’t convert, you set up for a close FG. Then they say we are too predictable, so the offense runs 3 pass plays to start the second half of the Purdue game and they complain that we should have run when it was working. Guess what, the pass was working too. If we run too often, aren’t we then also being too predictable? They complain we run too often on 1st down, but I saw quite a few times where we passed on 1st down. The fact is at times we have been conservative and predictable and it has worked as often as it hasn’t. We have taken chances and been tricky and it has failed as often as it succeeded.

The thing most of these complainers fail to grasp is that as avid fans (i.e. ones that watch EVERY game EVERY year) any offense and defense at any school is going to be predictable. You know the tendencies and what they like to do out of every formation.

 

[blkngldFRO]

Well you are certainly entitled to your thoughts, but when the next guy loses they'll be the same. Watch more than just Iowa play and read more than just Iowa’s board. There saying this all over the nation. Every time a team loses fans want someone fired and what they say rarely makes a lot of sense when compared to the backdrop of the entirety of college football….its just how fans are.

Chad

Your making a bad assumption here. I do watch more than just Iowa play. In fact i pretty much wake up on saturdays watching football and falling asleep on sundays to football. I watch all football it is the only sport I am really into. I do watch just Iowa basketball with the exception of some march madness.

So other people on other message boards are complaining about not winning BigTen championships, and about paying their coach 3.7 mil + for barely above .500 recored? To me it seems as though all you did is read a negative post, and then protected the Golden Calf. I stand behind Iowa win or lose, it is not because of the losses. Even in the wins, KF has gotten, I have still felt and expressed I did not think he was the best coach for the money. Here is the bottom line HE IS NOT THE BEST COACH FOR 3.7 million with a potential of 5.5 mill. Speak to my points instead of lumping me in with every other fan.

 

[cmhawks99]

Go shovel that BS somewhere else. How many outright Big 10 titles did Fry win in 20 years? One. Kirk has won one of the Big 4 bowls…..which HF never did. Alford was driven out for less? That’s funny. He was 6 games under .500 in the Big 10 and never finished higher than second.



Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Boise? No, but Boise doesn’t play in a BCS conference, so it’s hard to know how good they really are. Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Oklahoma? Yes. They have a hell of a lot more tradition to sell than we do.



As far as pay goes, two guys below him have won a NC. Of the 62 on the list making more than a million a year, 61 of them made more than Joe Paterno (who has a NC and multiple conference titles), so everyone ahead of him is overpaid. Three of the top 10 have never won a conference title with the school they are at now (Hoke never had and he had a losing career record before he came to UM). Of the top 10, only four (Brown, Stoops, Ferentz and Richt) have multiple conference titles. Compare their bowl records.

Thats cool stuff Black,

I never knew any of that.

Chad

 

[blkngldFRO]

That post left me dizzy from simultaneous agreement and disagreement.

I know nothing about ADs, but Barta seems like a good guy and representative. He fired Lick, his own hire, not a real ballsy move in this case, but he easily could have given Lick another year. Anyhow...

1) Agree, aside from proabable Norm retirement (if not this year, then sometime by 2020 for sure).
2) Agree generally. He has changed for the more conservative since 2005, imo.
3) Agree, he plays not to lose. Not sure if that was the greatest play CALL, but that was all Tate and LSU's secondary.
4) Disagree. Kirk has done great things. He's gotten the program a very good rep and good exposure. He has missed a couple big chances at sustaining/expanding that rep ('05 and '10), though, and it could be virtually gone with a couple more years of non-relevance. It is WAY harder to recruit to here than Oklahoma. It should be easier to recruit here than Boise, but I've always felt they would struggle to go any more than 6-2 in the B1G, maybe 5-3 some years.
5) We're paying for Big Ten title contention. It's been notably absent most years since 2004. I agree with most that we have to start cleaning up against Minnesota and NW if we want to achieve that.

I appreciate your insight and response to my post. I see your point about Barta, but he also did make the hire and let the program slip with what seem to the outside to be little pressure. See your 4th point it would be easy to slip into non-relevance what if we have a 6 win year next year. This is very possible! I feel that the receivers are making JVB look better then he is, and through history KF is not going to play a red shirt QB.

I do disagree with Boise they have stepped up to the challenge when faced with tuff competition. Also I lot of people said that Nebraska would struggle in the BigTen and they are sitting with a 9-3 recored. You really don't know until they do it, but Boise would not struggle to find 5 wins in the BigTen. I tell you what I know ONE big ten team that their offense would have a heyday with.

 

[blkngldFRO]

Go shovel that BS somewhere else. How many outright Big 10 titles did Fry win in 20 years? One. Kirk has won one of the Big 4 bowls…..which HF never did. Alford was driven out for less? That’s funny. He was 6 games under .500 in the Big 10 and never finished higher than second.



Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Boise? No, but Boise doesn’t play in a BCS conference, so it’s hard to know how good they really are. Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Oklahoma? Yes. They have a hell of a lot more tradition to sell than we do.



As far as pay goes, two guys below him have won a NC. Of the 62 on the list making more than a million a year, 61 of them made more than Joe Paterno (who has a NC and multiple conference titles), so everyone ahead of him is overpaid. Three of the top 10 have never won a conference title with the school they are at now (Hoke never had and he had a losing career record before he came to UM). Of the top 10, only four (Brown, Stoops, Ferentz and Richt) have multiple conference titles. Compare their bowl records.

Who said anything about Fry? I am talking about Iowa's current coach. Has he earned his paycheck? In my opinion NO. Your opinion is different and in my opinion a bit Homer. College football is a business and there has not been a good enough return, again IMO.

 

[cmhawks99]

Your making a bad assumption here. I do watch more than just Iowa play. In fact i pretty much wake up on saturdays watching football and falling asleep on sundays to football. I watch all football it is the only sport I am really into. I do watch just Iowa basketball with the exception of some march madness.

So other people on other message boards are complaining about not winning BigTen championships, and about paying their coach 3.7 mil + for barely above .500 recored? To me it seems as though all you did is read a negative post, and then protected the Golden Calf. I stand behind Iowa win or lose, it is not because of the losses. Even in the wins, KF has gotten, I have still felt and expressed I did not think he was the best coach for the money. Here is the bottom line HE IS NOT THE BEST COACH FOR 3.7 million with a potential of 5.5 mill. Speak to my points instead of lumping me in with every other fan.

Well it seems it is you who made a bad assumption. I didn’t assume anything other than whatever you are watching it isn’t very close. Black put together a post that summed up the wage earnings pretty good. Assuming its true its fairly telling…..

As far as addressing your points I pretty much did. I pointed out all the things they did this year on D alone which is counter intuitive to your feeling that they don’t change anything. We can certainly attack the O in the same fashion if you want, but will they really change your perception…!??!

Chad

 

[Dominate]

Tell me about this “same†crap stuff…..

This year I saw Iowa play man to man with Hyde and Prater lot more than ever, no secret we got beat deep more. I watched us run nickel, dime, 3-4,4-3 blitz from the sfty level, CB level, all 3 Lbers, change out personnel multiple times…. in short…. what the internet coaches said we needed to do and then we’d win……guess what we didn’t win. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t the scheme and the play calling….

I know, I know that just couldn’t be. Never mind the fact that hordes and hordes of other great coaches and teams lost multiple games this year and last, its certainly just “our†scheme that’s bad…..well except of course in the 7 games we won…..

Chad

Chad, you've made it very clear that you do not want to see any changes to the coaching staff at Iowa. It also appears that you are quite satisfied with 7 win seasons. I'm curious as to what your response to the following questions are.
1. How many years are acceptable prior to Iowa playing in the Big 10 title game? 4 yrs? 5 yrs? If more then 5 years do you then believe staff changes might be required?

2. How often should the Hawks actually be in contention for the BCS championship?

I honestly do appreciate the insight and honesty in your posts but sometimes feel you're on the opposite end of the spectrum in regard to wearing "blinders".

 

[Cover3]

I do disagree with Boise they have stepped up to the challenge when faced with tuff competition. Also I lot of people said that Nebraska would struggle in the BigTen and they are sitting with a 9-3 recored. You really don't know until they do it, but Boise would not struggle to find 5 wins in the BigTen. I tell you what I know ONE big ten team that their offense would have a heyday with.

I think we're in agreement here, actually. I was more setting 5-3 as Boise's Big Ten 'floor'. Basically just saying I don't think they would win a title very often, that they would struggle to go "more than 6-2 or 5-3." They would hold their own for sure, but eight in a row is epically hard to do. I think they would clean up against the lower tier and be toe-to-toe with the big boys. Kind of like us if we cleaned up against the lower tier, hahaha.

 

[cmhawks99]

Chad, these are the same complaints all the time. They say we are too conservative, yet we pass on 3rd and 4 from the Minnesota 14 and get sacked when playing conservative says to run (which was working well). If you don’t convert, you set up for a close FG. Then they say we are too predictable, so the offense runs 3 pass plays to start the second half of the Purdue game and they complain that we should have run when it was working. Guess what, the pass was working too. If we run too often, aren’t we then also being too predictable? They complain we run too often on 1st down, but I saw quite a few times where we passed on 1st down. The fact is at times we have been conservative and predictable and it has worked as often as it hasn’t. We have taken chances and been tricky and it has failed as often as it succeeded.

The thing most of these complainers fail to grasp is that as avid fans (i.e. ones that watch EVERY game EVERY year) any offense and defense at any school is going to be predictable. You know the tendencies and what they like to do out of every formation.

You pretty much nailed it friend. In fact I'm like you, I sometimes wonder why in the world we are passing, or doing such stupid things that aren't at all predictable, but no one ever references that.....except you of course....

Chad

 

[Cover3]

Chad, these are the same complaints all the time. They say we are too conservative, yet we pass on 3rd and 4 from the Minnesota 14 and get sacked when playing conservative says to run (which was working well). If you don’t convert, you set up for a close FG. Then they say we are too predictable, so the offense runs 3 pass plays to start the second half of the Purdue game and they complain that we should have run when it was working. Guess what, the pass was working too. If we run too often, aren’t we then also being too predictable? They complain we run too often on 1st down, but I saw quite a few times where we passed on 1st down. The fact is at times we have been conservative and predictable and it has worked as often as it hasn’t. We have taken chances and been tricky and it has failed as often as it succeeded.

The thing most of these complainers fail to grasp is that as avid fans (i.e. ones that watch EVERY game EVERY year) any offense and defense at any school is going to be predictable. You know the tendencies and what they like to do out of every formation.

Proving Chad's point from another thread, I find that I've even confused myself as to what I would like to see out of the schemes, haha. But, if I had to pick one overriding concern and emphasize it, it would accord with the quoted post.

Per Hayden's "scratch where it itches" philosophy, predictability is fine...if what you're doing is working. I think a 'balanced' offense as one that has the CAPABILITY to run or pass, not one that necessarily does both at an even rate. KOK's playcalling seems more arbitrary than predictable or conservative sometimes.

The Iowa defense...THAT's predictable, but always good to great.

 

[BackNBlk]

Who said anything about Fry? I am talking about Iowa's current coach. Has he earned his paycheck? In my opinion NO. Your opinion is different and in my opinion a bit Homer. College football is a business and there has not been a good enough return, again IMO.

Sorry if I felt the implication was there, but Fry is revered at Iowa and never won a Big 4 bowl and yet KF is **** in the corner when he ONLY wins the Orange Bowl or doesn’t win an outright Big 10 title when it wasn’t even his fault we didn’t meet OSU in the 2002 season. My point is not homerish at all. It’s realistic. Do any of them really earn the enormous amounts of money they are paid? No. Sorry, but when you’re Mack Brown and you’re paid $5 million a year and have only 2 conference titles and 1 national championship to show in 14 years with their recruiting prowess and resources, you’re way overpaid. You’re exactly right in that college football is a business, but you’re forgetting that part of that pay is compensation for years when he was underpaid (and he was) and as incentive to keep him from leaving for the NFL. It’s kind of a slap in the face to say he doesn’t deserve it when guys that are below him, but paid almost as much and haven’t accomplished as much deserve theirs.

 

[cmhawks99]

Chad, you've made it very clear that you do not want to see any changes to the coaching staff at Iowa. It also appears that you are quite satisfied with 7 win seasons. I'm curious as to what your response to the following questions are.
1. How many years are acceptable prior to Iowa playing in the Big 10 title game? 4 yrs? 5 yrs? If more then 5 years do you then believe staff changes might be required?

2. How often should the Hawks actually be in contention for the BCS championship?

I honestly do appreciate the insight and honesty in your posts but sometimes feel you're on the opposite end of the spectrum in regard to wearing "blinders".

The emblazed is symptomatic of the problem with fan bases in general....and please know I appreciate the way you finished your post so I’m not jacking with you….but if you read much of what I’ve said ever, including my most recent reappearance you’ll note…..I get emotionally wrecked and over whelmed when we lose. I get physically hot, sometimes almost sick, and I literally expect to win EVERY game……and I don’t get why we don’t.

But what I do know from watching at least 60 or 70 (heck maybe more I watch A LOT of college football) college football teams play every single year for many years is it isn’t some magical scheme or play calling thing. Now do I think the play calling or identification can improve, yes? I do think that’s a part of it, stressing the identification part, but the scheme is complete and total bunk. Furthermore maybe we can’t get thru to the kids anymore because quite frankly a KF team should NEVER lead the league in dropped passes. You talk about wearing blinders….our execution blows 20 minutes out of every game and we have myriads of people running amuck complaining about play calling or scheme…hello, did you see all the dropped 1st dwn passes and TD’s. Dropped TD catch in OT by Davis vs ISU….dropped TD catch by Marvin against Purdue, multiple dropped 1st downs by KMM, Marvin, Davis, Derby and Herman……..crazy stupid drive killing penalties. I have come to the conclusion after watching too much football that even more than Turnovers….untimely penalties (aren’t’ they all) and dropped passes are the single most stifling component to good football…..

Anyone watch the Bears the other day……what did Johnny Knox drop what about 10 balls himself (okay an exaggeration but you get my drift) that wrecks drives and game plans for that matter. Per the PU games stats and the multiple drops vs Nebbuie we apparently dropped 30 plus balls this year. And just so you clearly understand. Those were wide open drops and most where for 1st downs. Not contested or in tight coverage those aren’t considered drops…..just flat…†oh there’s the ball…oopps I dropped it?!?!?!†If we catch 5 more then what….how about 10…15…?!?! Would that have won 2 more games for us……It sure would have helped and I’d stop just short of guaranteeing it.

How about some pretty stupid personal foul penalties on offense…..wth?!?! Or 2 straight false starts…that happened a couple times……THIS loses games……very rarely do you “scheme†your way into a win….and it is THIS short-sightedness that drives me insane.

Chad

 

[JonDMiller]

Thanks for running this poll. I can see all of the names that voted for KF to go and all new staff, and will now ban them

 

[cmhawks99]

Who said anything about Fry? I am talking about Iowa's current coach. Has he earned his paycheck? In my opinion NO. Your opinion is different and in my opinion a bit Homer. College football is a business and there has not been a good enough return, again IMO.

For the record if "it’s a business" as you said. Then KF is underpaid. Iowa is one of the 15 or so most fiscally affluent programs in college football (maybe top 10) and KF is why…!?? At one time Iowa was one of only 6 or so teams that had turned a net athletic department profit for 6 years running & since I know they still are and that was a couple years ago, I’d guess that is even a more alarming stats by now.

As far as being a homer goes, your opinion is shared and out spoken enuff that we could actually consider it a homer point of view anymore. Funny how that works eh..!? The problem is in reality, there is great deal more going on in the changes department than the outspoken crowd is apparently seeing.

Chad

 

[BSpringsteen]

Thanks for running this poll. I can see all of the names that voted for KF to go and all new staff, and will now ban them

Good. Get rid of that no talent hack ******** Neil Diamond.

Dude thinks he is me with his forever in blue jeans ********.

 

[GoHawks24]

This is what will happen, we all know it. Norm may retire but KOK ain't going anywhere.

This. Due to the fact that Kirk and KOK are the best butt buddies in the whole wide world. It's pretty sad that a friendship means more than the program as a whole. Pretty selfish on Kirk's part if you ask me. Is it not obvious that we have major problems on the offensive side of the ball? After 10+ seasons we can't rely on the defense anymore so something needs to change on offense, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

The emblazed is symptomatic of the problem with fan bases in general....and please know I appreciate the way you finished your post so I’m not jacking with you….but if you read much of what I’ve said ever, including my most recent reappearance you’ll note…..I get emotionally wrecked and over whelmed when we lose. I get physically hot, sometimes almost sick, and I literally expect to win EVERY game……and I don’t get why we don’t.

But what I do know from watching at least 60 or 70 (heck maybe more I watch A LOT of college football) college football teams play every single year for many years is it isn’t some magical scheme or play calling thing. Now do I think the play calling or identification can improve, yes? I do think that’s a part of it, stressing the identification part, but the scheme is complete and total bunk. Furthermore maybe we can’t get thru to the kids anymore because quite frankly a KF team should NEVER lead the league in dropped passes. You talk about wearing blinders….our execution blows 20 minutes out of every game and we have myriads of people running amuck complaining about play calling or scheme…hello, did you see all the dropped 1st dwn passes and TD’s. Dropped TD catch in OT by Davis vs ISU….dropped TD catch by Marvin against Purdue, multiple dropped 1st downs by KMM, Marvin, Davis, Derby and Herman……..crazy stupid drive killing penalties. I have come to the conclusion after watching too much football that even more than Turnovers….untimely penalties (aren’t’ they all) and dropped passes are the single most stifling component to good football…..

Anyone watch the Bears the other day……what did Johnny Knox drop what about 10 balls himself (okay an exaggeration but you get my drift) that wrecks drives and game plans for that matter. Per the PU games stats and the multiple drops vs Nebbuie we apparently dropped 30 plus balls this year. And just so you clearly understand. Those were wide open drops and most where for 1st downs. Not contested or in tight coverage those aren’t considered drops…..just flat…†oh there’s the ball…oopps I dropped it?!?!?!†If we catch 5 more then what….how about 10…15…?!?! Would that have won 2 more games for us……It sure would have helped and I’d stop just short of guaranteeing it.

How about some pretty stupid personal foul penalties on offense…..wth?!?! Or 2 straight false starts…that happened a couple times……THIS loses games……very rarely do you “scheme†your way into a win….and it is THIS short-sightedness that drives me insane.

Chad

Can't use the execution excuse for everything - our football team for the past 10 years has ranked horribly offensively.

A pattern over 10 year's can't all be execution.

I Agree with much of what you are saying - it's not all on the coaches, but there is a pattern here that can't be ignored.

 

[herbyhawk]

i didn't realize KF had won a outright title
but in the end KOK game plans the way KF wants
its amazing until we get down and have to get going they can actually move the ball
its the same coach being able to get this team moving the ball
Kf and KOK got into it about who should start Stanzi or Jake, KOK wanted Stanzi
KF wanted Jake
whose call was best for Iowa; KOK or KF

 

[maggie1]

Where is the "fire nobody" button?