Coaching Changes (poll)

[cmhawks99]

After the display the offense put on this season KOK probably needs to go. I think Norm will prob retire soon but he just won the Asst. Coach of the Year award and the D wasn't poor even with all the new starters this year so replace KOK and gimme someone who will open up this playbook.

What does this ope play book look like……the 17 Nebbie scored vs Wiscy or the 17 they scored vs UM. Or how about the 24 they scored vs the same NW we scored 41 against.

Or does it look like the 16 Michigan scored against us…….

Just curious..?1

Chad

 

[BSpringsteen]

Sorry not working....they were simple questions and there were several of them.

Did they lose because of scheme & play calling, very simple, yes or no?!?!

Chad

Ps……as far as I can remember Bobby has never fired an assistant and their fans never like any of them. Including Chuck Long, Kevin Wilson, Bret Venables, his brother, etc……

Scheme: No
Playcalling: Yes

Not being prepared as a coaching staff - yes.

 

[silvanthalas]

And are you aware Norm hasn’t been on the road recruiting in 100 years

Which more and more looks like it's a real part of the problem!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

and we have had more NFL talent than ever…?!

Which netted us all of 7-5 records the last two seasons!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

I ran out of punctuation marks to address the rest of it.

 

[tm3308]

Crap, I mis-voted. I said replace Norm, but that's because I think we're going to see that happen.

 

[tm3308]

Sorry not working....they were simple questions and there were several of them.

Did they lose because of scheme & play calling, very simple, yes or no?!?!

Chad

Ps……as far as I can remember Bobby has never fired an assistant and their fans never like any of them. Including Chuck Long, Kevin Wilson, Bret Venables, his brother, etc……

In regards to Norm, the vitriol over the years isn't typically deserved. In KOK's case (or Ferentz, by extension), it usually is.

Oklahoma fans can't say that, ESPECIALLY on offense.

 

[UIClassof13]

What does this ope play book look like……the 17 Nebbie scored vs Wiscy or the 17 they scored vs UM. Or how about the 24 they scored vs the same NW we scored 41 against.

Or does it look like the 16 Michigan scored against us…….

Just curious..?1

Chad

That's a good point, idk I guess what I just need to see more explosiveness from this O. Play calling got so conservative (no shocker) It got so vanilla, especially against UN.

 

[cmhawks99]

In regards to Norm, the vitriol over the years isn't typically deserved. In KOK's case (or Ferentz, by extension), it usually is.

Oklahoma fans can't say that, ESPECIALLY on offense.

How about on Defense.....?! 41 vs the same TT that scored 7 vs ISU and 6 vs a bad D in Okie St. Or how about giving up a 60 second drive to Baylor when they were prepared to sit on the ball?!

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

Scheme: No
Playcalling: Yes

Not being prepared as a coaching staff - yes.

Hmm so then TT had good play calling....?!?! I wonder what happened the next 3 weeks when they didn't score 40 combined?

Any thoughts on that?

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

Which more and more looks like it's a real part of the problem!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?



Which netted us all of 7-5 records the last two seasons!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

I ran out of punctuation marks to address the rest of it.

I suppose you are aware all of our guys can't be out on the road recruiting and every college keeps someone home. They have to. Not to mention I have no doubt you read the presser where KF said he'd like to keep KOK home too, right?!?!

Chad

 

[MoseSchrute]

After the display the offense put on this season KOK probably needs to go. I think Norm will prob retire soon but he just won the Asst. Coach of the Year award and the D wasn't poor even with all the new starters this year so replace KOK and gimme someone who will open up this playbook.

I was pleased with how the D improved towards the end. The offense? SOS.

 

[herbyhawk]

i find it curious as to how the decline of LB play declined right after Norm stopped coaching LB as well as handling DC duties
not to mention how ST play started going down hill at about the same time as the Coach that now Coaches LB's
Norm is affecting the coaching of other coaches as well as not being able to handle the positional job
and the Fact that Erb as the primary coach of both ST had to give up half to the RB coach
these three parts have been affected by Norms limitation in coaching
as for the coach that stayes home either KF or Erik Johnson can stay home
KF the HC til its time to seal the deal
Erick Johnson the recruiting coordinator
either on can stay home
neither are positional coaches
right now Norm is hurting this program by staying
if nothing else let him be the recruting coordinator
and give Johnson a position to coach and put people in the position that had this program succeeding no major shake up in the caching staff
Phil Parker will be the next DC
simply because KF will promote from within

 

[Cover3]

Hard to beat Kirk as a head man as far as program management. He's not great at in-game decision-making, but I haven't even watched very many non-Iowa CFB games this year, and I've seen a LOT of other game-mangaments BuFus so I'll take the bad with the good there.

I think it's time to change coordinators, though. Norm's scheme is pretty to watch when he has the horses, but when last year's D-line appeared to be playing contain or something most of the games, I felt they had stagnated. I don't doubt that they try to make changes, but 13 years with a similar system, I'm sure you get into a rut of falling back on old 'solutions' that helped once, but really have just become part of the scheme. I loved the Cover 2 man Nebraska threw at us. Nothing deep, nothing short. D-line has to contain the QB and solely stop the run (which we struggled with this year), but I like that as a base defense better than our soft quarters zone.

I love the pro-style offense, but we could really use a pro-style system with a couple more sets and variation (i.e. more run plays than the zone stretch and blast, more pass plays that don't have all our receivers at 7-15 yards). nothing drastic, but we have VERY little mis-direction in our scheme. I don't think KOK is the man to implement this change.

 

[cmhawks99]

Hard to beat Kirk as a head man as far as program management. He's not great at in-game decision-making, but I haven't even watched very many non-Iowa CFB games this year, and I've seen a LOT of other game-mangaments BuFus so I'll take the bad with the good there.

I think it's time to change coordinators, though. Norm's scheme is pretty to watch when he has the horses, but when last year's D-line appeared to be playing contain or something most of the games, I felt they had stagnated. I don't doubt that they try to make changes, but 13 years with a similar system, I'm sure you get into a rut of falling back on old 'solutions' that helped once, but really have just become part of the scheme. I loved the Cover 2 man Nebraska threw at us. Nothing deep, nothing short. D-line has to contain the QB and solely stop the run (which we struggled with this year), but I like that as a base defense better than our soft quarters zone.

I love the pro-style offense, but we could really use a pro-style system with a couple more sets and variation (i.e. more run plays than the zone stretch and blast, more pass plays that don't have all our receivers at 7-15 yards). nothing drastic, but we have VERY little mis-direction in our scheme. I don't think KOK is the man to implement this change.

I don’t necessarily agree with what you are saying here, but I have to tell you the way in which you said it is easy to get behind. It was poignant & respectful without the normal hyperbole and anxt that many write with on here. I felt I should point that out, good job.

Now in contrast, I saw us go 5 wide empty, play with 1 Te, 2 Tes and 3 Tes…I saw us “make” a TE in Orne, I saw us go FB & TB and I saw us motion TE’S and Rbers out of the backfield, I sawe us play more shot gun, than ever, go hurry up and run the QB more, etc…in short I heard a couple different announcers mention our multiple sets, so in all honesty there couldn’t be many that have more sets than we do. That’s more of the company line that in evaluation really isn’t true. Also we really don’t run zone block like we used to and I really don’t think people realize that. And from my point of view I thought we threw under the sticks to much, so I’m not seeing the 7-15 yards throws and in fact one of their favorite plays seem to be a quick throw to Marvin or Keenan in the flat for a quick 4 or 5 yard gain and they also threw the fades down field a bunch, so honestly I’m not sure what more you could ask for than say…..a win, which is what this really came down to.

When I heard we dropped more balls than anyone in the Big 10 and when I saw our drive killing penalties I knew right away what our problems were.

Finally Iowa (contrary to what people seem to believe) does go with what their guys can do and they try to grow and adapt with them. You’ll note we threw way fewer seam passes this year than we have in years past (obviously it wasn’t what we could do) and we threw more slip screens again than we have in years past. Most of these gripes are centered on one thing…we lost and it has to be scheme and play calling, but in truth they are mostly unfounded. We just sucked from time to time sadly.

Chad

PS....lets keep in mind that same defense that Nebbie played got gouged by the Michigan team that we held to 16, so its way more complicated than scheme and play calling regardless of what we may want it to be.

 

[Cover3]

Thanks, I try to sound rational, at least, haha.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, we did implement some new sets this year (the TE/RB offset stack out of the shotgun is my favorite). But, I would maintain that we have very little mis-direction in the run game. My observations on the pass game might have been exaggerated and/or overly-simplistic, but I very strongly feel that teams flow very hard towards our running plays.

Nebraska's D did get shredded by Michigan. I liked your observation up top that other coaching staffs perform similarly and lose games similarly. That said, Pelini maybe should have been feeling a zone-read-spy defense against Denard and co. I didn't watch that game. I'm not opposed to our conservative D sets universally, but I'd like to see us lock down on receivers more against teams we match up with athletically.

 

[BackNBlk]

I feel the need to clarify my vote (Kirk stays and replaces both coordinators) because there are too many people I don't agree with that voted the same way. I love Norm, and his schemes have worked the majority of the time he has been here. However, I think his age is working against him as far as the amount of time he has missed and his inability to travel for recruiting. I also don't think his schemes work as well against spread offenses as they could if he used a few more nickel packages. I think it would be disrespectful to fire him, but I think he should step down.

I wanted KOK gone along time ago. He's a nice guy, but his playcalling ranges from brilliant (occasionally) to boring (way too often). A new OC could still run Kirk's style, but with an expanded playbook.

 

[TChawk]

i find it curious as to how the decline of LB play declined right after Norm stopped coaching LB as well as handling DC duties
not to mention how ST play started going down hill at about the same time as the Coach that now Coaches LB's
Norm is affecting the coaching of other coaches as well as not being able to handle the positional job
and the Fact that Erb as the primary coach of both ST had to give up half to the RB coach
these three parts have been affected by Norms limitation in coaching
as for the coach that stayes home either KF or Erik Johnson can stay home
KF the HC til its time to seal the deal
Erick Johnson the recruiting coordinator
either on can stay home
neither are positional coaches
right now Norm is hurting this program by staying
if nothing else let him be the recruting coordinator
and give Johnson a position to coach and put people in the position that had this program succeeding no major shake up in the caching staff
Phil Parker will be the next DC
simply because KF will promote from within

And that is a major issue because they will continue to run the same CRAP that doesn't work anymore.

 

[blkngldFRO]

I would have liked to see a Fire Gary Barta option, because he is spineless and a horrific AD. Allow a new AD with a sack to put KF in check!

I feel my reasons are rational:
1) Nothing will change as long as KF is coach. KOK and Norm will still be there.
2) If by some crazy change KOK and Norm are gone KF is as stubborn as a mule and not change a thing.
3) KF plays not to lose. The best play call in KFs career was made by Drew Tate not KF!
4) Every one says that KF has done such great things. Never been to the Rose Bowl never have won an out right BigTen, and it's been 7 years since we shared it. (fans drove Alford out for less). What is he 89-60? Middle of the pack in a terrible big 10 dose not work for me. Is it really any harder to recruit to IC then Boise or Oklahoma?
5) He is one of the top paid coaches in college football. Everyone above him has won a NC, and some bellow him. What are we paying for exactly?

Those are just my top 5.

 

[cmhawks99]

I would have liked to see a Fire Gary Barta option, because he is spineless and a horrific AD. Allow a new AD with a sack to put KF in check!

I feel my reasons are rational:
1) Nothing will change as long as KF is coach. KOK and Norm will still be there.
2) If by some crazy change KOK and Norm are gone KF is as stubborn as a mule and not change a thing.
3) KF plays not to lose. The best play call in KFs career was made by Drew Tate not KF!
4) Every one says that KF has done such great things. Never been to the Rose Bowl never have won an out right BigTen, and it's been 7 years since we shared it. (fans drove Alford out for less). What is he 89-60? Middle of the pack in a terrible big 10 dose not work for me. Is it really any harder to recruit to IC then Boise or Oklahoma?
5) He is one of the top paid coaches in college football. Everyone above him has won a NC, and some bellow him. What are we paying for exactly?

Those are just my top 5.

Well you are certainly entitled to your thoughts, but when the next guy loses they'll be the same. Watch more than just Iowa play and read more than just Iowa’s board. There saying this all over the nation. Every time a team loses fans want someone fired and what they say rarely makes a lot of sense when compared to the backdrop of the entirety of college football….its just how fans are.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

And that is a major issue because they will continue to run the same CRAP that doesn't work anymore.

Tell me about this “same†crap stuff…..

This year I saw Iowa play man to man with Hyde and Prater lot more than ever, no secret we got beat deep more. I watched us run nickel, dime, 3-4,4-3 blitz from the sfty level, CB level, all 3 Lbers, change out personnel multiple times…. in short…. what the internet coaches said we needed to do and then we’d win……guess what we didn’t win. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t the scheme and the play calling….

I know, I know that just couldn’t be. Never mind the fact that hordes and hordes of other great coaches and teams lost multiple games this year and last, its certainly just “our†scheme that’s bad…..well except of course in the 7 games we won…..

Chad

 

[BackNBlk]

I would have liked to see a Fire Gary Barta option, because he is spineless and a horrific AD. Allow a new AD with a sack to put KF in check!

I feel my reasons are rational:
1) Nothing will change as long as KF is coach. KOK and Norm will still be there.
2) If by some crazy change KOK and Norm are gone KF is as stubborn as a mule and not change a thing.
3) KF plays not to lose. The best play call in KFs career was made by Drew Tate not KF!
4) Every one says that KF has done such great things. Never been to the Rose Bowl never have won an out right BigTen, and it's been 7 years since we shared it. (fans drove Alford out for less). What is he 89-60? Middle of the pack in a terrible big 10 dose not work for me. Is it really any harder to recruit to IC then Boise or Oklahoma?
5) He is one of the top paid coaches in college football. Everyone above him has won a NC, and some bellow him. What are we paying for exactly?

Those are just my top 5.

Go shovel that BS somewhere else. How many outright Big 10 titles did Fry win in 20 years? One. Kirk has won one of the Big 4 bowls…..which HF never did. Alford was driven out for less? That’s funny. He was 6 games under .500 in the Big 10 and never finished higher than second.



Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Boise? No, but Boise doesn’t play in a BCS conference, so it’s hard to know how good they really are. Is it harder to recruit to Iowa than Oklahoma? Yes. They have a hell of a lot more tradition to sell than we do.



As far as pay goes, two guys below him have won a NC. Of the 62 on the list making more than a million a year, 61 of them made more than Joe Paterno (who has a NC and multiple conference titles), so everyone ahead of him is overpaid. Three of the top 10 have never won a conference title with the school they are at now (Hoke never had and he had a losing career record before he came to UM). Of the top 10, only four (Brown, Stoops, Ferentz and Richt) have multiple conference titles. Compare their bowl records.