He really didn't handle the ball all that much. The more he did the less effective he was. JW is similar in that way. When they had their shoulders square and had a strait line to the hoop yeah they could do some of that. But not so much on the perimiter or in the open court. For a 2 guard CJ really didn't handle the ball much at all. Now part of it may be he wasn't asked to and he was the 4th banana on O overall. And if he ends up at KY I doubt he'd be asked to do much more then that there either. I don't think his role will expand. Because his game isn't built for it. He can't do what those Oregon guards can do or Baylors or Gonzagas. He just can't...
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Hadn't that been a sure thing for awhile now? I figured it was more due to tampering and he wanted to make sure he had his soft landing place already secured ahead of time. If he ends up at KY it just smells fishy. Calipari is a snake and I would love to know Frans honest take on it all.
ssckelley
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I don't disagree that Calipari is a snake but Frederick???? Calipari is typically after the 5 stars, the one-and-done's.
Dadman
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I do agree with the above observation, but I can see having a 3 point specialist fitting into his system. I keep scratching my head over this because it is hard for me to see CJ accepting a role player position, even at "blue-blood tradition-rich" KY.
I saw some of KYs games last yr and they had pretty much no shooters at all. Their best player Mintz is on the fence about returning next yr and even if he does they would really like to add 1 maybe even 2 guards still. So yeah in normal times coach Cal is just reloading with 5 star studs. With the season they had last yr and some uncertainty that they have as well they seem plenty open to plugging in a guy like CJ to fill a role. They really only had like 1 guy that was a threat from 3 last yr and that was a part of why they struggled last yr. CJ if healthy could help with that obviously...
Either CJ and KY have been having some communication prior to these last couple days or they haven't... I'd be curious to know. I suspect the reason CJ waited till now to do it after a month plus of rumors is he wanted to be more sure about having his soft landing spot waiting for him. But since they haven't announced that yet...
And you bet most all the other schools who know Iowa is in the mix make sure a potential player knows that. That his kid is gonna get playing time and you can see it. Heck Patrick took up a spot two seasons ago even though he really couldn't play due to cancer recovery. You can know Nunge needs to redshirt and bulk up but after that you don't know going in that your son isn't going to be able to play and be effective at all esp. in the Big Ten.
Conner plays but can't score or get his own shot or defend more athletic players. Should not start in the Big Ten. Should have better and I don't care if Fran won't recruit better in favor of his son or the other teams scare better away since it is the same result in the end with new recruits and transfers alike.
Pray the recruiting will get better when the kids are gone.
I see Bruce Pearl got a nice transfer.
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Umm, Alford had a better reg. season where Iowa finished 2nd and they won the conference tournament to boot. This team finished 4th.
Yes, this year had the better player performance with Garza but that team edges this one out for Big Ten success.
MisterLucky
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There are hundreds of schools that are available to CJ via the transfer portal. Yet, there is only one that has been rumored for over a month now. He has not even entered the transfer portal as of yet, but if he winds up at Kentucky, as it seems everyone and his brother thought he would, isn't that tampering? Or just one hell of a coincidence? And given that it's Kentucky, what would the NCAA dare do about it?
okeefe4prez
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Tell me, how has Iowa fared bince the advent of the 30 second shot clock, the massive growth of the camps and AAU scene in the past 20 years and moving the three point line back. Has it made Iowa better? Has it put Iowa where it was in the '80's or even the '90's?
Where they finished in the standings has more to do with what the other teams in the conference did. I don't really care about that. If Illinois lost 2 or 3 close games and finished behind Iowa (Iowa finished 3rd thos year, not 4th) 9 would say Iowa had a better season. I go off their record. That said, I don't remember what the 2006 team's record was so maybe your point stands anyway.
okeefe4prez
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Yep. That Alford team choked at Northwestern or else they would have won the conference. Then they went on to win the BTT. I can't recall what happened in the tournament, but that was a good year.
I hope there is a lot of truth to losing recruits due to Fran's kids being there. If it is true, theoretically his recruiting of point guards will improve soon. As far as Patrick still being here goes, I'm not as worried about it because I think he's a better player and we have the Murray twins too so we should be good at that position for awhile anyway.
The one thing I don't get from your post is it sounds like you think it's a big deal to bring in a player that needs a redshirt year.
Seth53
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I don't see any cause and effect here....some diluted correlation perhaps.
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MWS604 is pretty spot-on IMO. Kid wants to play for a National title. This year was his shot with Iowa. Hawks folded and he knows it ain't gonna happen in his last 2 years.
thedukeofearl
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Quite a shame that Connie Hawkins couldn't play as a freshman
Perhaps he would have stayed in IC rather than return to NYC for the
holidays
He would dribble two basketballs full court, full speed, and dunk them one
after the other in practice as a freshman
From Wikipedia:
Hawkins did not play much until his junior year at Boys High. Hawkins was All-City first team as a junior as Boys went undefeated and won New York's Public Schools Athletic League (PSAL) title in 1959. During his senior year, he averaged 25.5 points per game, including one game in which he scored 60, and Boys again went undefeated and won the 1960 PSAL title. Hawkins then signed a scholarship offer to play at the University of Iowa.
During Hawkins' freshman year at Iowa, he was a victim of the hysteria surrounding a point-shaving scandal that had started in New York City. Hawkins' name surfaced in an interview conducted with an individual who was involved in the scandal. While some of the conspirators and characters involved were known to or knew Hawkins, none – including the New York attorney at the center of the scandal, Jack Molinas – had ever sought to involve Hawkins in the conspiracy. Hawkins had borrowed $200 ($1,700 in current dollar terms) from Molinas for school expenses, which his brother Fred repaid before the scandal broke in 1961. The scandal became known as the 1961 college basketball gambling scandal.
Despite the fact that Hawkins could not have been involved in point-shaving (as a freshman, due to NCAA rules of the time, he was ineligible to participate in varsity-level athletics), he was kept from seeking legal counsel while being grilled by New York City detectives who were investigating the scandal.
As a result of the investigation, despite never being arrested or indicted, Hawkins was expelled from Iowa. He was effectively blackballed from the college ranks; no NCAA or NAIA school would offer him a scholarship. NBA commissioner J. Walter Kennedy let it be known that he would not approve any contract for Hawkins to play in the league. At the time, the NBA had a policy barring players who were even remotely involved with point-shaving scandals. As a result, when his class was eligible for the draft in 1964, no team selected him. He went undrafted in 1965 as well before being formally banned from the league in 1966.
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thedukeofearl
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Moss did rather well at Kansas
Started most of the games and was always in at crunch time
Add Eli King (4 star) to the list for ISU......reportedly down to us and ISU. Talk about two programs heading different directions with recent recruiting. Fences are getting mended pretty quickly in Ames.
Motigerhawk
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1st big bro Ulis and now CJ. F Kentucky
WindsorHawk
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It would be very frustrating if they were winning and we were losing. But Iowa and Keegan had a much better year than ISU and XF.
