Hunz
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Since when has Beathard been a risk taker? I just don't understand this point of view. He's had one pick 6 in very little total playing time.
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Since when has Beathard been a risk taker? I just don't understand this point of view. He's had one pick 6 in very little total playing time.
Let our defense win it? Like against Minny? Norm Parker isn't here anymore, those days are long gone. God forbid we play a QB that can actually win a game with his arm. CJ isnt a risk taker, he puts the ball into tight windows, which Jake cannot and will not do.
99topdawg
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My post was trying to explain what Ferentz sees as the difference between the two. By risk taker, I mean that he improvises, which Ferentz sees as "not safe".
99topdawg
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The way our defense played against Minnesota, it wouldn't have mattered who was at QB. Our defense has played pretty darn good for the most part (19th in the nation in total defense). You can't deny that.
As for Jake not being able to put the ball in windows, you obviously don't watch the games, do you? Rewatch the NW game if you want to see the ball put perfectly into windows.
kicker22
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Not a shot at CJ by any means, but can someone tell me one "good" team he's defeated? I've heard a ton of posters say we can't beat Wiscy or Nebby without him in the game, and that Jake has shown time after time he can't beat good opposition, but I can't recall CJ facing a good opponent.
Pitt might be the best team we've beat all year. CJ is undefeated this year and JR lost to ISU, Maryland and Minny, so there's that. Last year we won a lot of games purely on a very good defense.
Sparky
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You still crying about that? Poor little baby.
FoolishFellow
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It's Rudock who has had two years at starter and has not defeated a single "good" team. Rudock put up paltry numbers against Michigan State, Wisconsin, and LSU in 2013. His best win is against Nebraska.
RocknRollface
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CJ gets in the game and is clearly physically superior in every way by a large margin. He's better, period.
Rudock can barely throw the ball.
kicker22
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My point is we can complain all we want about Jake, but he's faced the "good teams" whether or not he's succeeded or impressed against them is a whole different story. I may be the minority, but as I stated, I've yet to see CJ against what many consider "good teams" so not sure how suddenly the results will automatically increase exponentially with a new QB.
And to single JRs performance against Minny in my opinion means we should be looking at back ups for every position on the field. The way the TEAM played againt Minny I find it very doubtful to think CJ would have made a difference what so ever.
And to single JRs performance against Minny in my opinion means we should be looking at back ups for every position on the field. The way the TEAM played againt Minny I find it very doubtful to think CJ would have made a difference what so ever.
kicker22
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I'm not arguing that. As I said I'm not disputing the fact that JR's numbers have been less than stellar vs. "good teams". What I'm saying is that at this point in their careers he's the only QB that has faced a "good team". The fact is, it's speculation as to how CJ would fair against a "good" opponent. All I'm saying is that we have no data at this point to confirm that CJ would outplay JR vs. a "good opponent".
He could put up good results and much better stats. He could do worse. At this point, all I'm saying is that its all speculation until he gets a chance to prove himself.
I simply don't think its fair to speculate that CJ would outplay JR vs. MSU, Wiscy, LSU, and Nebby when the best team we've seen him perform against is Pitt.
CJ probably would have done better against Minny and I think that's the point. Minny was cheating with their safeties to stop the run which should have left them vulnerable on medium/deep passes. Rudock led us to 9 possessions in a row that produced 6 punts, 2 fumbles and 1 INT. 7 of the 9 possessions were 3 and out or worse (including the turnover possessions).
kicker22
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I agree that the score may not have been so lopsided, but at the same time as uninspired as we played from a team perspective I don't think it changes the outcome.
jacknicholson
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Might have been a compliment for your command of the language.....
Nicely said, by the way.....
RocknRollface
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pitt > ISU
RocknRollface
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Your right, the problem with this program is that he is not.
ArvadaHawk
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This is HGF's analysis of JR and CJ after Illanoy game. All I'm going to say is that if CJ winds up transferring after this season, or isn't the starter in 2015, if he does stay, then it'll be kfootballs biggest mistake at Iowa, and I'll have zero confidence in him.
CJ:
C.J. Beathard made an appearance for the third straight game and had a very impressive, albeit brief, performance. He only attempted three passes but two of the three were deep balls that were perfectly thrown. Beathard’s arm strength and quick release have been on display every time he steps on the field, but he has flashed impressive accuracy on his throws as well, especially on the touchdown pass the threw in this game. It was a straight go route from the 19 yard line to Damond Powell along the side line and Beathard led Powell perfectly, the ball just out of reach of the DB and right in Powell’s hands. Powell is a very large target either; it takes a pretty precise throw to make that catch look that easy. To me it was very reminiscent of how Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers fits the ball to WRs in tight coverage on go routes. This game was small sample but a very impressive one for Beathard.
CJ:
C.J. Beathard made an appearance for the third straight game and had a very impressive, albeit brief, performance. He only attempted three passes but two of the three were deep balls that were perfectly thrown. Beathard’s arm strength and quick release have been on display every time he steps on the field, but he has flashed impressive accuracy on his throws as well, especially on the touchdown pass the threw in this game. It was a straight go route from the 19 yard line to Damond Powell along the side line and Beathard led Powell perfectly, the ball just out of reach of the DB and right in Powell’s hands. Powell is a very large target either; it takes a pretty precise throw to make that catch look that easy. To me it was very reminiscent of how Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers fits the ball to WRs in tight coverage on go routes. This game was small sample but a very impressive one for Beathard.
But JR is really smart and a nice kid. He works hard and has played really well against bad teams. His turnovers aren't his fault. All bad plays are due to the play call or the players not executing the play that the great plays JR audibles to. Chuck Long has no idea what he is talking about and shouldn't grade the QBs because he knows nothing about the position.
You guys should just understand that Kirk always plays the best players and you should never doubt him for any reason.
We Love You Kirk. We could never replace you or your top knotch staff of coaches. We are just Iowa.
You guys should just understand that Kirk always plays the best players and you should never doubt him for any reason.
We Love You Kirk. We could never replace you or your top knotch staff of coaches. We are just Iowa.
