Chuck Hartlieb - "Mark Weisman wouldn't have started for Drake"

[SpiderRico]

Chuck Hartlieb was on with Ken Miller last night and, while he did preface that remark by saying MW was a great guy, a tough guy, and a great team player....he still dropped that bomb.

He also talked about Boyle and how he has a big arm and is a great athlete....but he definitely needs to work on his accuracy. Ken said something to the effect of, "You had me at big arm" and Chuck said, "AJ Derby had a great arm too and tons of athleticism, but couldn't hit the broadside of a barn"....and that's basically an exact quote.

He then talked about the QB issue at Iowa this year and agreed with most of the fanbase that he thought a change was warranted at QB given JRs struggles. Ken brought up his stats the last two years and Chuck basically poo-poo'd his stats and said they came against bad competition. Said Stanzi and Tate played a schedule 3 times as tough as JR and that JR wouldn't have anywhere near the stats that Tate and Stanzi had against that competition. He went on to say that with Iowa's struggles this year in finding playmakers at the RB and WR position, that they HAD to get it from the QB and he thought CJ could have brought that.

Pretty insightful and interesting interview.....Chuck certainly didn't pull any punches.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Hes right about Weisman. Good kid, but absolutely incredible how he managed to get 600+ carries at a Big Ten university. Its so beyond ridiculous when you thing about it.

 

[MrEHawk]

Hes right about Weisman. Good kid, but absolutely incredible how he managed to get 600+ carries at a Big Ten university. Its so beyond ridiculous when you thing about it.

That's football.

 

[hawkphan00]

Chuck's calling a spade a spade, and there is nothing wrong with the truth...

 

[Clark]

Hes right about Weisman. Good kid, but absolutely incredible how he managed to get 600+ carries at a Big Ten university. Its so beyond ridiculous when you thing about it.

Is it possible to agree that he shouldn't have been given that many carries at Iowa (due to poor recruiting and some attrition) while also thinking that's stupid to think that Weisman couldn't start for a non-scholarship school? He's had 200 yard games against Big 10 teams but running against teams like Davidson, he's got no shot...

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Is it possible to agree that he shouldn't have been given that many carries at Iowa (due to poor recruiting and some attrition) while also thinking that's stupid to think that Weisman couldn't start for a non-scholarship school? He's had 200 yard games against Big 10 teams but running against teams like Davidson, he's got no shot...

When?? and I did read that correctly you said games right? Meaning plural.

I guess I must of been a asleep for those..

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Is it possible to agree that he shouldn't have been given that many carries at Iowa (due to poor recruiting and some attrition) while also thinking that's stupid to think that Weisman couldn't start for a non-scholarship school? He's had 200 yard games against Big 10 teams but running against teams like Davidson, he's got no shot...

Exactly... And I would think Chuck knows that he's just taking the extreme of extreme take to make his point... Weisman is what he is. He's a pretty darn good goal line running back. When he had holes he could lumber through them and bowl over a DB in the secondary. But he is slow doesn't break many tackles. It's not his fault the coaches decided to play him so much and use him that way. Can't blame him he's all effort.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Chuck Hartlieb was on with Ken Miller last night and, while he did preface that remark by saying MW was a great guy, a tough guy, and a great team player....he still dropped that bomb.

He also talked about Boyle and how he has a big arm and is a great athlete....but he definitely needs to work on his accuracy. Ken said something to the effect of, "You had me at big arm" and Chuck said, "AJ Derby had a great arm too and tons of athleticism, but couldn't hit the broadside of a barn"....and that's basically an exact quote.

He then talked about the QB issue at Iowa this year and agreed with most of the fanbase that he thought a change was warranted at QB given JRs struggles. Ken brought up his stats the last two years and Chuck basically poo-poo'd his stats and said they came against bad competition. Said Stanzi and Tate played a schedule 3 times as tough as JR and that JR wouldn't have anywhere near the stats that Tate and Stanzi had against that competition. He went on to say that with Iowa's struggles this year in finding playmakers at the RB and WR position, that they HAD to get it from the QB and he thought CJ could have brought that.

Pretty insightful and interesting interview.....Chuck certainly didn't pull any punches.

I agree with his take on Derby and why he never panned out.. Yet may that be a part of Sunshines deal too? His completion percentage isn't great in what time he's had either and hes had way more actual game reps then Derby ever got. I don't know if that's true or not just bringing up that angle. After seeing as much of JR as we have I'd sure like to think Sunshine could have brought more to the table then what we got... So it is what it is. I hope Sunshine gets the start in the bowl and they turn him loose

 

[1hawkeye1]

That's a little harsh, Chuck.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Exactly... And I would think Chuck knows that he's just taking the extreme of extreme take to make his point... Weisman is what he is. He's a pretty darn good goal line running back. When he had holes he could lumber through them and bowl over a DB in the secondary. But he is slow doesn't break many tackles. It's not his fault the coaches decided to play him so much and use him that way. Can't blame him he's all effort.

Really interesting, so you saw the 200 yards games against Big Ten opponents as well. Amazing!

 

[Sparky]

Is it possible to agree that he shouldn't have been given that many carries at Iowa (due to poor recruiting and some attrition) while also thinking that's stupid to think that Weisman couldn't start for a non-scholarship school? He's had 200 yard games against Big 10 teams but running against teams like Davidson, he's got no shot...

#1. Mark Weisman ran for 200 yards against 1 team in his career. That was in 2012 against Central Michigan. Not a big 10 team.
#2. In 2014 he ran for 100+ yards in 1 game. That was against ILLINOIS.

 

[Hawk4Fan]

I agree with his take on Derby and why he never panned out.. Yet may that be a part of Sunshines deal too? His completion percentage isn't great in what time he's had either and hes had way more actual game reps then Derby ever got. I don't know if that's true or not just bringing up that angle. After seeing as much of JR as we have I'd sure like to think Sunshine could have brought more to the table then what we got... So it is what it is. I hope Sunshine gets the start in the bowl and they turn him loose

CJ's Comp % would been tons better had the Iowa WR not dropped 12+ balls at Pitt, that was the worst job by any WR corps I have ever seen that game.

 

[hwk23]

I agree with his take on Derby and why he never panned out.. Yet may that be a part of Sunshines deal too? His completion percentage isn't great in what time he's had either and hes had way more actual game reps then Derby ever got. I don't know if that's true or not just bringing up that angle. After seeing as much of JR as we have I'd sure like to think Sunshine could have brought more to the table then what we got... So it is what it is. I hope Sunshine gets the start in the bowl and they turn him loose

No, Sunshine has a better completion % than JR for passes over 10 yards. JR completes short passes at a higher %. That could be due to more reps with the 1st team.

 

[Clark]

Really interesting, so you saw the 200 yards games against Big Ten opponents as well. Amazing!

So sorry, I thought he had two but he came up 20 yards short (twice) so only one 200 yard game. As if your reply invalidates anything I said.

Somehow this big loser of a player who averaged over 4 yards a carry for his career couldn't start for a school who doesn't even give out scholarships. Sorry to think it might just be a little insulting to him. I know, I'm sure Chuck said "no disrespect" first so it's okay.

 

[hwk23]

Weisman would have done better if teams respected our passing game. Also, if we played to his strengths, not stretch plays. Somewhere I read a story about how John Riggins had a really tough time running in a stretch type play, so Washington scraped it. We probably should have to.

 

[Clark]

Weisman would have done better if teams respected our passing game. Also, if we played to his strengths, not stretch plays.

Weisman had his weaknesses and in reality Iowa should have had a true runningback taking a majority of his carries over the last two years. He was a good goalline back that Iowa used as their primary back because the runningbacks they brought in either got hurt, didn't develop, or left the team.

Hartlieb was using hyperbole to make a point but IMO he was being disrespectful of a guy who deserves some respect for giving everything he could possibly give.

 

[trj]

It goes as follows for MW:


Inside zone: It was hit and miss

Outside zone: Bread and butter what he excelled at best suited for his athletic ability.

stretch: Complete waste, simply couldn't get the footwork down to make it work.

 

[SteveGarvey]

Weisman had his weaknesses and in reality Iowa should have had a true runningback taking a majority of his carries over the last two years. He was a good goalline back that Iowa used as their primary back because the runningbacks they brought in either got hurt, didn't develop, or left the team.

Hartlieb was using hyperbole to make a point but IMO he was being disrespectful of a guy who deserves some respect for giving everything he could possibly give.

I believe Chuck meant he wouldn't start for Drake at halfback which probably would be true. If Drake uses a fullback, he'd be a kick *** one there.

 

[ICHawk24]

Chuck was a great QB.

But he can't hit the broad side of a barn as a coach or analyst.