Cartwright - 1st in B1G in Assists last year - this year...

And near the bottom of the league in assist to turnover ratio. Cartwright was far from the player he was a year ago.
 
smbhawk1 said:
And near the bottom of the league in assist to turnover ratio. Cartwright was far from the player he was a year ago.
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Near the bottom?
He was 11th in the league in A:TO.

1.5 ratio.

That's better than Draymond Green, who will be the Big Ten player of the year
 
storminspank said:
Near the bottom?
He was 11th in the league in A:TO.

1.5 ratio.

That's better than Draymond Green, who will be the Big Ten player of the year
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Green's not a PG. Not a good comparison

That's great that Bryce has assists but I've argued with everyone on this board since last year, despite his assists, he kills us out there and isn't a Big 10 quality guard. For us to turn the corner we need better PG and thankfully that appears to be coming. I'm excited!
 
Wassabbe said:
Green's not a PG. Not a good comparison

That's great that Bryce has assists but I've argued with everyone on this board since last year, despite his assists, he kills us out there and isn't a Big 10 quality guard. For us to turn the corner we need better PG and thankfully that appears to be coming. I'm excited!
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Actually, it's a great comparison. Green was 2nd on his team in assists (and had the 8th most in the B1G). He's basically a point forward. Almost every single possession goes through him. He touches the ball just as much as the PG in their set.

So for Cartwright to have a better A:TO than him is good.
 
storminspank said:
Actually, it's a great comparison. Green was 2nd on his team in assists (and had the 8th most in the B1G). He's basically a point forward. Almost every single possession goes through him. He touches the ball just as much as the PG in their set.

So for Cartwright to have a better A:TO than him is good.
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Go look at other forwards in the country that have high assists. They all have high turnovers as well. It's not a great comparison.
 
storminspank said:
2nd in the league.

Not bad at all!
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If the point is just for comparison, then point well taken. If it relates to a comment on his play compared to last year, then, not so much. He struggled this year, which I think can be fairly said.
 
storminspank said:
Like who?
Maybe Royce White?
He is a turnover machine, yet his A:TO ratio is 1.3
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Thank you for making my point. Can't compare forwards to PG's when it relates to assists/turnovers.

It's like comparing their FG%. Of course a PF will have a higher FG%.

I mean look at all the Big 10 A:TO ratios. The first 12 all play PG for their team. There is a reason for that spank. And Bryce ranks 11th out of 12 on that list and you still think that's good
 
I bet Fran's pg will be very high in this category every year. It really comes with the style of play and the number of possessions. They will always be right up there in these numbers.
 
Wassabbe said:
Thank you for making my point. Can't compare forwards to PG's when it relates to assists/turnovers.

It's like comparing their FG%. Of course a PF will have a higher FG%.

I mean look at all the Big 10 A:TO ratios. The first 12 all play PG for their team. There is a reason for that spank. And Bryce ranks 11th out of 12 on that list and you still think that's good
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Not really. I showed that a forward can have good numbers.

Richardson is 3rd in the B1G, he's a SG.
Where are Illinois' guards on the list?

Not to mention, Bryce split time w/ Marble at the point, but he still averaged over 4 A/G. And he did it hurt.

Look, I'm not saying Bryce is a first team All-B1G, but he's a decent PG. He makes some bad decisions from time to time and isn't a great shooter. But he creates a lot of shots for this team.

I think too many people get caught up in expectations because he made an All B1G team last year. Well, he got hurt and wasn't the same. Toughed it out and was still able to get the ball to the spots more often than not.
 
shows how we need a true pg and that marble isnt the guy. he will be better on the wing. pg has ball in hands for more chances at assists. goes the same way with turnovers. i remember a bunch of people clammoring for lin-sanity in new york and he had been a turnover machine during that hyped up time of winning. last yr everyone talked about how great bryce was and this yr people got fickle eventhough most of his problems were because he was injured. he is a solid pg.
 
Wassabbe said:
Green's not a PG. Not a good comparison

That's great that Bryce has assists but I've argued with everyone on this board since last year, despite his assists, he kills us out there and isn't a Big 10 quality guard. For us to turn the corner we need better PG and thankfully that appears to be coming. I'm excited!
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Easy Wassabe you didnt have as good of a year as last year either.
 
storminspank said:
Near the bottom?
He was 11th in the league in A:TO.

1.5 ratio.

That's better than Draymond Green, who will be the Big Ten player of the year
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11th out of 14 qualifying players is near the bottom since you need to avg a minimum of 3 assists/game to qualify to be ranked.

So if you wanted to look at it with a pessimistic view point only 3 players in the Big Ten has a worse A:TO ratio
 
busabus114 said:
11th out of 14 qualifying players is near the bottom since you need to avg a minimum of 3 assists/game to qualify to be ranked.

So if you wanted to look at it with a pessimistic view point only 3 players in the Big Ten has a worse A:TO ratio
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And one of those bottom three is a power forward.
 
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