Carlos Silva trade

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hawkfarmer

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Saw a rumor on ESPN that 2 teams are interested. I sure hope they are. he is overrated. yes he went 8-0 to start the year last year but then ended 2-6. Not great. He never got more than 5, maybe 6 innings if they stretched him. Also, he isn't a team player. He was quoted saying "I shouldn't have to compete for a starting position". BS. You're not that great. I would love to see him traded even if the Cubs got nothing in return. He just inhibits guys like Cashner or Russel from getting a shot as a starter.
 
If the Cubs get any kind of prospects for him or don't have to take on another terrible contract this will be a great trade. Can't believe they might actually get out of Milton Bradley's terrible contract.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
If the Cubs get any kind of prospects for him or don't have to take on another terrible contract this will be a great trade. Can't believe they might actually get out of Milton Bradley's terrible contract.
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It would be ideal. However, Silva has only 1 year left on his deal, so after this year he'd be gone anyway, but I think keeping him 1 year hinders the development of Cashner or Russel as starters, and they could use this year to really prepare for the following season, when the Cubs free up some money and could make some moves to really improve the team.
 
The Cubs won't get anything for him.. the Yankees will take him, and in return, make up most of that 12 mil he's owed..
 
DuffMan said:
I'd trade him for a box of baseballs and a used pitching machine.
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I would take him for used baseballs and one of those popup things kids hit whiffle balls with. He is awful and anything the Cubs get will make up for getting rid of Milton Bradley and Silva.
 
hawkfarmer said:
please explain
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Because everyone in the league knows he's not that good and everyone in the league knows that his 8-0 start was something of a fluke.

There's nothing in your original post that every GM in the league doesn't already know. So it would be great if the Cubs traded him, but don't expect to get a lot out of him. I think best case scenario is the Cubs don't have to eat a ton of his salary.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
If the Cubs get any kind of prospects for him or don't have to take on another terrible contract this will be a great trade. Can't believe they might actually get out of Milton Bradley's terrible contract.
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Speaking of Milton Bradley it looks like Milton is still being Milton:

The Mariners would benefit by releasing Milton Bradley, who needs to get his life in order. Revelations that he is accused of hitting his wife with the glass part of a glass table are not pretty.

Eric Hosmer, Mike Trout highlight best from the Cactus League - Jon Heyman - SI.com
 
hawkfarmer said:
That would be GREAT. I'd take that in a heartbeat
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I hate the Cubs, but it would probably be great for them.

The Yankees have money beyond use.. and desperately need starting rotation help. The Cubs have some youngsters they need to get experience in the starting rotation and a sputtering, slightly insane Carlos Silva on the hook for 1 year @ 12 mil..

They've been discussing this on the radio the last 2 days here in Chicago, and it seems the most likely scenario.
 
MikeyJoe said:
Because everyone in the league knows he's not that good and everyone in the league knows that his 8-0 start was something of a fluke.

There's nothing in your original post that every GM in the league doesn't already know. So it would be great if the Cubs traded him, but don't expect to get a lot out of him. I think best case scenario is the Cubs don't have to eat a ton of his salary.
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That's what I thought you meant and wanted to make sure. I agree, I think the only ones that over value him are the Cubs. Like I said in my original post I would take any kind of trade, even if the cubs got pocket lint in return. I don't care. He doesn't need to be a cub.
 
hawkfarmer said:
he is overrated. He never got more than 5, maybe 6 innings if they stretched him. He just inhibits guys like Cashner or Russel from getting a shot as a starter.
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I don't blame you for your hatred of Silva....but I'm going to get a little nit-picky w/ parts of your original post farmer:

1. He's properly rated - the entire league knows he sucks.
2. "Never got more than 5, maybe 6 innings". Really?! Did you happen to look at his stats before throwing those numbers out there? If you're going to kill the guy, at least be a little bit accurate. Here are his starts:

4/9/10 - 6 IP (ND)
4/16/10 - 7 IP (W)
4/21/10 - 6 IP (W)
4/26/10 - 7 IP (ND)
5/1/10 - 5 IP (ND)
5/7/10 - 5 IP (W)
5/12/10 - 6.1 IP (W)
5/18/10 - 6 IP (W)
5/23/10 - 5.1 IP (W)
5/29/10 - 7 IP (W)
6/7/10 - 7 IP (W)
6/12/10 - 7 IP (L)
6/18/10 - 6 IP (L)
6/26/10 - 6 IP (ND)
7/1/10 - 7.2 IP (ND)
7/6/10 - 6 IP (W)
7/11/10 - 1.1 IP (L)
7/19/10 - 1 IP (L)
7/26/10 - 5 IP (W)
8/1/10 - .1 IP (L)
9/7/10 - 5 IP (L)

In looking at that, I see a lot of quality starts. the losses and no decision before the all star break were by 1 or 2 runs, so it's not like he was getting shelled. He's a contact pitcher, not going to strike a ton of guys out, and will rely on his defense to make plays and get guys out. The Cubs D wasn't exactly great last year either.

3) Russell is not a starter. Plain and simple. He couldn't start effectively in the minors and there is little to no reason to believe he can be the lefty starter in the majors. Cashner deserves a shot as long as he continues developing his secondary stuff and not rely on the fastball so much.

Just my two cents anyway. I'm not a Silva fan by any means, but you made it sound like he was much more terrible than what he actually was.
 
cjhawks said:
I don't blame you for your hatred of Silva....but I'm going to get a little nit-picky w/ parts of your original post farmer:

1. He's properly rated - the entire league knows he sucks.
2. "Never got more than 5, maybe 6 innings". Really?! Did you happen to look at his stats before throwing those numbers out there? If you're going to kill the guy, at least be a little bit accurate. Here are his starts:

4/9/10 - 6 IP (ND)
4/16/10 - 7 IP (W)
4/21/10 - 6 IP (W)
4/26/10 - 7 IP (ND)
5/1/10 - 5 IP (ND)
5/7/10 - 5 IP (W)
5/12/10 - 6.1 IP (W)
5/18/10 - 6 IP (W)
5/23/10 - 5.1 IP (W)
5/29/10 - 7 IP (W)
6/7/10 - 7 IP (W)
6/12/10 - 7 IP (L)
6/18/10 - 6 IP (L)
6/26/10 - 6 IP (ND)
7/1/10 - 7.2 IP (ND)
7/6/10 - 6 IP (W)
7/11/10 - 1.1 IP (L)
7/19/10 - 1 IP (L)
7/26/10 - 5 IP (W)
8/1/10 - .1 IP (L)
9/7/10 - 5 IP (L)

In looking at that, I see a lot of quality starts. the losses and no decision before the all star break were by 1 or 2 runs, so it's not like he was getting shelled. He's a contact pitcher, not going to strike a ton of guys out, and will rely on his defense to make plays and get guys out. The Cubs D wasn't exactly great last year either.

3) Russell is not a starter. Plain and simple. He couldn't start effectively in the minors and there is little to no reason to believe he can be the lefty starter in the majors. Cashner deserves a shot as long as he continues developing his secondary stuff and not rely on the fastball so much.

Just my two cents anyway. I'm not a Silva fan by any means, but you made it sound like he was much more terrible than what he actually was.
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1. I meant he is overrated by Cubs fans who think cause he went 8-0 he's pretty good

2. he had 5 starts over 6 innings, and 1 longer than 7. Sorry but that is not great. I would like to see the run support he had for all of those games as well, and no I don't want to take the time to look it all up. Dempster had 22 starts over 6 innings long btw.

3. I think Russel is a better otpion than Silva as a starter. I agree i think he stays in the BP as he is better suited there. Now, I was just throwing out a few options. I would take Cashner, Wells (and his sophomore slump), and Coleman over Silva.

And when you argue that he really isn't as bad as I make it sound you have to remember he had a good year last year as far as wins and losses. If you look at his run after his 8-0 start it is not very good. and that is the true Silva.
 
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hawkfarmer said:
If you look at his run after his 8-0 start it is not very good. and that is the true Silva.
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No, it's not.

Look at his career. He's a .500 pitcher sporting a 4.68 ERA. He's thrown over 1,200 innings at the Major League level, and walks very few guys per 9 IP (1.7 per nine in his career).

There would be a lot of teams that would like that type of production out of their 5 guy, the Cubs included.
 
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