Canzeri Injury

[Hal9000]

You realize that the majority of ACL injuries are non-contact, right? You jump, and land on one leg, it can happen (see Jason White of Oklahoma a few years ago).

Full contact may be simpler, but statistics say that's not the likely answer. I'll stick with statistics over philosophy.

Look up the statistics on that type of injury happening during a football practice that is "non-contact" and get back to me.

The crux of my argument is the fact that no matter how the injury happens (be it due to a lineman falling on an RB the wrong way or a simple cut) the majority of these injuries happen during FULL SPEED FULL CONTACT practices. Nothing more nothing less.

The above post by SteveGarvey is the most lucid illustration of the idea in action (his first sentence anyways)

 

[TritonHawkeye]

It should be a rule that all Hawkeye tailbacks wear those big knee braces like the OL guys do...

Sure, our RB's wouldn't be as agile or as fast as most others teams but leg issues would be a thing of the past.

 

[tm3308]

Look up the statistics on that type of injury happening during a football practice that is "non-contact" and get back to me.

The crux of my argument is the fact that no matter how the injury happens (be it due to a lineman falling on an RB the wrong way or a simple cut) the majority of these injuries happen during FULL SPEED FULL CONTACT practices. Nothing more nothing less.

Sure, because Iowa is the only program in America that actually full speed, non-contact practices

Get THOSE statistics. And a clue, while you're at it.

 

[Hal9000]

Sure, because Iowa is the only program in America that actually full speed, non-contact practices

Get THOSE statistics. And a clue, while you're at it.

It is people like you that get message boards to degrade into personal flame battles. Then, they become less fun as a result, because the good opinion you had a few minutes ago amounts to 'Nanabooboo' right after the tease.

if you are going to site statistics stick with it and make a coherent argument.

Just the facts Jack!

 

[cjbucks]

This is obviously the way Kirk wants it, (it meaning the running backs get tackled in practice and the survivors see the field in the fall)
otherwise one would think he'd have leaned by now. Especially since the "no more RB tackling comment" of two years ago.

Absolutely........ he definitely hates running backs and hopes to get as many young men hurt as possible. Makes it easier for him to run the pass happy offense we all know he prefers.

 

[Easton]

It would have to be one heck of a coincidence. At this point, knowing what we know about the history here the best logic tool we can employ is, Occam's Razor: the simple answer is usually the correct one. In this case it means that the reason for this injury today is probably the same reason for the vast majority of the ones in the past. That reason: Kirk's emphasis on full speed full contact practice is killing our depth. It really is that simple.

So do you have any proof they were going full contact? All the videos shown from yesterday were drills and light contact. You just making assumptions?

I am trying to remember the last Iowa back who hurt his knee in practice. Maybe a young but not positive on that.

 

[Calculator]

Absolutely........ he definitely hates running backs and hopes to get as many young men hurt as possible. Makes it easier for him to run the pass happy offense we all know he prefers.

You dont think.....can it be? Kirk is AIRBHG???????

 

[rjbaustian]

It is people like you that get message boards to degrade into personal flame battles. Then, they become less fun as a result, because the good opinion you had a few minutes ago amounts to 'Nanabooboo' right after the tease.

if you are going to site statistics stick with it and make a coherent argument.

Just the facts Jack!

Actually you kinda started that with your tone bud......I I actually bet your both right....its prolly 50/50

 

[Hal9000]

You dont think.....can it be? Kirk is AIRBHG???????

Einhorn is Finkle!

 

[Hal9000]

So do you have any proof they were going full contact? All the videos shown from yesterday were drills and light contact. You just making assumptions?

I am trying to remember the last Iowa back who hurt his knee in practice. Maybe a young but not positive on that.

Jewel Hampton definitely tore his ACL in practice circa 2010

please read links like this whomsoever should see this post

http://m.naplesnews.com/news/2011/feb/26/david-moulton-next-step-footballs-evolution-rollin/

I understand it pertains to head injuries, however it elucidates my point : full contact practices need to be drastically reduced in number and intensity.

 

[Section136]

It is people like you that get message boards to degrade into personal flame battles. Then, they become less fun as a result, because the good opinion you had a few minutes ago amounts to 'Nanabooboo' right after the tease.

if you are going to site statistics stick with it and make a coherent argument.

Just the facts Jack!

Am I missing something? How does anyone know that this injury was a result of full-contact practice?

Seems like people, Hal9000 in particular, try and find any and every reason to complain about KF. Thats what gets old, not reasonable posters putting insane ones in their place.

 

[Clark]

Nothing that happens to a player at the runningback position surprises me anymore. Iowa runningbacks have combined to tear practically every ligament, break practically every bone, knock a girl or two up, get accused of rape, get caught with drugs, fail to make grades, and I'm probably forgetting some things.

 

[Section136]

Troll alert! Troll alert! Troll alert!

Pretty sure this is the same poster who said Derby was moving to LB a few days before it came public. Sounds like he is friends with some players or lives around a few in the dorms.

 

[rjbaustian]

Pretty sure this is the same poster who said Derby was moving to LB a few days before it came public. Sounds like he is friends with some players or lives around a few in the dorms.

maybe...and I was wrong....but you have to admit, the way his post read, sounded like someone just trying to stir up crap....At least to me anyway...

 

[Hal9000]

Am I missing something? How does anyone know that this injury was a result of full-contact practice?

Seems like people, Hal9000 in particular, try and find any and every reason to complain about KF. Thats what gets old, not reasonable posters putting insane ones in their place.

KF is my favorite coach in the world, there is no assumption that it was full contact other than the fact that most injuries happen during full contact practices, and in this instance I do not know more than anyone else.

However full contact full speed practices are dangerous and need to be curtailed, and are the most likely culprit here. Whether or not they are to blame in this instance is not the argument.

The argument is simply: More injuries happen because of Full Contact Full Speed practices and knowing what we now know about trauma in football coaches need to cut them out of football regardless of whether Jordan Canzeri hurt his whatever on Wed. Mar 28 2012.

 

[tm3308]

Jewel Hampton definitely tore his ACL in practice circa 2010

please read links like this whomsoever should see this post

David Moulton: Next step in football's evolution is rolling back full-contact practices » Naples Daily News Mobile

I understand it pertains to head injuries, however it elucidates my point : full contact practices need to be drastically reduced in number and intensity.

Again, Iowa is far from the only program to employ full speed, non-contact practices, or even full contact. It's not like KF is stuck in the past and is well behind the nation. If you want to ***** about how football is practiced nationwide, go for it. But don't single out KF for it as if he's the only one, when in fact he is in the overwhelming majority.

 

[Easton]

Jewel Hampton definitely tore his ACL in practice circa 2010

please read links like this whomsoever should see this post

David Moulton: Next step in football's evolution is rolling back full-contact practices » Naples Daily News Mobile

I understand it pertains to head injuries, however it elucidates my point : full contact practices need to be drastically reduced in number and intensity.

Jp
You are right. Quick Google search shows it was a non contact drill. Team not in pads. July 7, 2009.

Must have been the full contact drills they did without pads. Coaches weren't even there.

 

[imported_ankle23]

i would venture to guess that most acls happen without contact anyway. contact practice/no contact practice - really a moot point.

 

[Hal9000]

Again, Iowa is far from the only program to employ full speed, non-contact practices, or even full contact. It's not like KF is stuck in the past and is well behind the nation. If you want to ***** about how football is practiced nationwide, go for it. But don't single out KF for it as if he's the only one, when in fact he is in the overwhelming majority.

Good point.

I believe football practices should be safer for these kids. We must study how to effectively do this or the sport of Football is in danger of becoming something parents would rather not have their children play.

Simple as that.

 

[woodyk1]

Canzeri injures knee; MRI today | TheGazette

Canzeri was injured while cutting in a non-contact drill. He was scheduled for an MRI on Thursday.