Northside Hawk
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Uh oh!
Is there anyone in our athletic department who understands marketing?
Or are they training to be physical therapists for all the times they have to extract their bosses foot from his mouth?
California Gives NCAA The Middle Finger
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Is there anyone in our athletic department who understands marketing?
Or are they training to be physical therapists for all the times they have to extract their bosses foot from his mouth?
SmokeTownHawk
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Yes god forbid we have true capitalism in this country! /s
Northside Hawk
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Somewhere, Brian Bosworth is smiling as wide as the ocean sky.
MoseSchrute
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I think this could lead to some very toxic locker room situations. That's just one of many problems.
Fryowa
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What I loooooooove are all the hypocrites who like to bitch about “give me liberty or give me death,” and wax poetic about capitalism, but they don’t think a college kid should be able to sign a football for money because they already get a scholarship 
Well, I don’t think you should be able to make more than $40K a year because your employer pays part of your health insurance. Let’s hear you douchers whine about that if someone tried to implement it.
Just like no one’s forcing them to play football or go to college, no one’s forcing you to work at wherever you work.
Oh, but fairness, equity, and OH THE HUMANITY of volleyball players not making money like a football player can!!!! The cruelty of it all!!!
Life don’t work that way, Jack. If it did, the people cleaning offices would make the same as the people working in them, and that ain’t happening.
Well, I don’t think you should be able to make more than $40K a year because your employer pays part of your health insurance. Let’s hear you douchers whine about that if someone tried to implement it.
Just like no one’s forcing them to play football or go to college, no one’s forcing you to work at wherever you work.
Oh, but fairness, equity, and OH THE HUMANITY of volleyball players not making money like a football player can!!!! The cruelty of it all!!!
Life don’t work that way, Jack. If it did, the people cleaning offices would make the same as the people working in them, and that ain’t happening.
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Fryowa
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I’m sure the idea of athletic scholarships was pretty fuckin contentious too when it first became a thing.
But nowadays we wouldn’t even think of not paying for Desmond King or Chuck Long or Tim Dwight to go to college and live and eat for five years.
Northside Hawk
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Why do I get the feeling that our own athletic director is the very definition of the person you are trying to describe?What I loooooooove are all the hypocrites who like to bitch about “give me liberty or give me death,” and wax poetic about capitalism, but they don’t think a college kid should be able to sign a football for money because they already get a scholarship
Well, I don’t think you should be able to make more than $40K a year because your employer pays part of your health insurance. Let’s hear you douchers whine about that if someone tried to implement it.
Just like no one’s forcing them to play football or go to college, no one’s forcing you to work at wherever you work.
Oh, but fairness, equity, and OH THE HUMANITY of volleyball players not making money like a football player can!!!! The cruelty of it all!!!
Life don’t work that way, Jack. If it did, the people cleaning offices would make the same as the people working in then, and that ain’t happening.
Fryowa
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I know this post is satire, but there’s a contingent of people out there who’re mad about players making money and want their scholarships taxed as income now lol.
SouthSideHawk
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Well, isn't that income? You are either a capitalist or you are not. I'm not mad about players making money. They should.
I don't see Iowa under KF as the place to go for "progressive" players, who are the best available, to come to "market themselves."
Perhaps the entire system will have to separate between...semi-pro, and amateur institutions. One will be big budget, intent on marketing their players, like the NBA and the other will be low budget, producing student-athletes, who will become good citizens, ready to give. One group will be about the good of "me"...the other will be about the good of the "all."
Northside Hawk
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Wait til an agent tries to storm into Kirk's office, or Boeheim's or Coach K's or Izzo's or Saban's, and tries to argue with him that his client isn't playing enough to maximize the player's endorsement potential.
Not having to deal with agents and the ability to be the emperor is the very thing that keeps these coaches at the college level. If these coaches now have to deal with rhe players agents on top of recruiting and rules compliance and everything else it may drive some of them right out of the sport, and end the era of decades of dictatorship.
Not having to deal with agents and the ability to be the emperor is the very thing that keeps these coaches at the college level. If these coaches now have to deal with rhe players agents on top of recruiting and rules compliance and everything else it may drive some of them right out of the sport, and end the era of decades of dictatorship.
okeefe4prez
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Unless teams figure out a roundabout way to use this to effectively eliminate the scholarship limits, I don't think it will hurt Iowa too much because we aren't really competing with the big boys for recruits these days anyway. I think Iowa will essentially be left competing with the Wisconsins and MSUs of the world, just as we are today and we should be able to muster up some dollars for those kids. The problem will be if OSU is able to create a "walk on" program where everyone is fronted the cash for tuition thereby negating the scholarship limits and guys like Stanzi, Micah Hyde, DJK, James Daniels, etc. can all get stockpiled on OSU rather than trickling out of Ohio to be available for places like Iowa and MSU to recruit. If Michigan and PSU can do the same such that we basically can't get anyone other than low MAC level players out of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio, the competitive landscape for everyone in the Big Ten other than the top 3 will get really ugly.
Fryowa
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The problem is people simplifying it too much--out of spite rather than rationality. People don't want their precious college football scene to change so they want to get Draconian with the rules.
Tax scholarships as income?
1) Now you have an employee of that school subject to the same benefits and protections as any other employee. You want the state of Iowa paying out workers comp claims to every injured athlete? You think a state (public) "employee" can get yelled at by coaches the way Polasek yells at his OL? How easy would it be to fire a public employee football player who is late for meetings or doesn't get along with players, or doesn't meet "job performance" standards? You want to sort through all those lawsuits and all that mediation?
2) Are you going to tax a music major's scholarship if he sells an album online, or an engineering major's scholarship if he makes money off an idea? You going to tax a volleyball scholarship player even if there's no one who wants to buy her jersey or get her autograph?
3) Call them "independent contractors" and tax them that way? Nope. Contractor status requires them to be removed from the day-to-day operations and it also requires them to be able to make their own independent work schedule. Pretty sure they don't get to choose when they play football games or go to practice.
4) Scholarship taxed? Wouldn't tuition, room and board, books, etc. be reimbursed business expenses at that point?
The NCAA has no answers for any of this, and their whole intent is to cause the issue to blow up---so they can throw their hands up and say, "Well, look at this disaster. It's not fair, and too confusing, so let's go back to the old way." They've been getting free labor for so long they've never even though about any of the issues.
Taxing scholarships is just a bunch of knee-jerk oversimplification by some idiot politician trying to strike a nerve with the blue hairs he "represents." There are a myriad of complications and obvious reasons why taxing scholarships is a ridiculous fucking idea, but we should just throw the whole idea of profit on likeness away because of those issues? Or maybe we should let a kid make his way in the world and tax his autograph and jersey income (which is exactly what will happen anyway). Would you fault a scholarship computer science student for selling a cool idea to Google? That's fucking ridiculous.
Northside Hawk
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That's kind of how Nebraska built their run during the Devaney and Osborne eras. They would literally have 80-100 walk-ons that could be on scholarship somewhere else, and promise all of them a fair chance.
Many of the players who didn't make it at Nebraska would then go to a smaller college like North Dakota or Drake, to name two examples. But Nebraska was at least accomplishing the mission of preventing those players from going to big ten or big eight schools because the players wouldn't want to sit out another year.
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okeefe4prez
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If you think the shitshow in sports is bad, the shitshow on the R&D side at universities is 10x worse. Illinois sued the guys who started Netscape. The schools have a major wall around their intellectual property and make those STEM kids who use the labs for research sign an invention assignment agreement and can get really aggressive if the school thinks someone conceived an idea using the school's equipment. I once negotiated a multi party joint venture opposite an elite school on the East Coast and they had two in house lawyers whose job was solely IP portfolio contracting. And these guys were as aggressive as any Fortune 100 company out there on IP issues. There's a reason there are so many tech companies founded by guys who drop out of elite schools - those guys are smart enough to know that if the school tries to get involved, they'll come out claiming they own part of the IP and ruin the value in the company.
Fryowa
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On the flipside, my coworker's son was a full scholarship student at ISU, super smart kid. During college he started a tech-related YouTube channel and now he's got 600 some thousand subscribers and he's doing that full time, grossing over $100K.
A football player would have been kicked out of the game for doing that.
SteveGarvey1
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I'm not a big Barta fan but in this case he is correct. There will be unintended consequences of this action. There is something special about amateur athletics and now that is spoiled with this-or worse in that regard than it already was. Top players will now focus on their own brand instead of what's best for the team. Some already do that, I'm sure, but it will now be even more so. With this incoming revenue, will they have to have agents and bookkeepers handle their money? Them going to classes will be even more of a joke than it already was because, why would you need college now if you're getting paid on the side? How much more dirty money will be flowing around now? That's good for college sports?
I'm all for capitalism but capitalism is never supposed to go unfettered, without safeguards. It's a false choice to cast it as a choice between socialism and unfettered capitalism.
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