Bush to give up Heisman



I give him credit for being the bigger man and taking this decision away from others.

I doubt he will lose much sleep while he is looking at his Superbowl ring.
 


This is beyond stupid, although I agree with CAAR that he is being mature by doing so.

All of the illicit behaviors didn't affect him on the football field. The guy was simply put, the most dominating running back I've seen in college football since I started watching the sport closely, which is probably 16+ years. He was easily the best player on the field and the fact that his mom or he lived in a house that was paid for by an agent didn't affect that.

The school is the one that cheated, not the player.
 


BSpringsteen said:
This is beyond stupid, although I agree with CAAR that he is being mature by doing so.

All of the illicit behaviors didn't affect him on the football field. The guy was simply put, the most dominating running back I've seen in college football since I started watching the sport closely, which is probably 16+ years. He was easily the best player on the field and the fact that his mom or he lived in a house that was paid for by an agent didn't affect that.

The school is the one that cheated, not the player.
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Well, by breaking rules, he wouldn't have been playing.
 


You guys aren't serious are you?

You think he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart? I have not much doubt in my mind there has been lots of "under the table" talks going on and in the end, everyone agreed to have Bush "forfeit" based on his own free will.

Allows him to save face and allows the Heisman committee to not have to be the bad guy.

With that said, I doubt he would with any sincerity be doing this all of his own, unprompted, accord.
 


BSpringsteen said:
This is beyond stupid, although I agree with CAAR that he is being mature by doing so.

All of the illicit behaviors didn't affect him on the football field. The guy was simply put, the most dominating running back I've seen in college football since I started watching the sport closely, which is probably 16+ years. He was easily the best player on the field and the fact that his mom or he lived in a house that was paid for by an agent didn't affect that.

The school is the one that cheated, not the player.
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I agree with you. The only way I would expect him to give up the award was if he was found guilty of something that was directly related to his on-field performance. For instance, if it had been discovered that he shaved points or was on steroids at the time. His family living in a house paid for by an agent did nothing to affect his performance on the field. I find it hard to believe that he was the only Heisman winner ever to be guilty of that anyway.
Still, it's probably best for him to give up the trophy and try to distance himself from the entire situation. The Heisman is a joke of an award anyway.
 




Hawkeye101 said:
You guys aren't serious are you?

You think he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart? I have not much doubt in my mind there has been lots of "under the table" talks going on and in the end, everyone agreed to have Bush "forfeit" based on his own free will.

Allows him to save face and allows the Heisman committee to not have to be the bad guy.

With that said, I doubt he would with any sincerity be doing this all of his own, unprompted, accord.
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this is what i was thinking on how this process went down
 


You guys can't be serious?? There are rules put in place for a reason and there are consequences to everything. He knew the rules, he knew what was right and wrong. Sure Reggie was and is a TOP athlete, but with that said RULES are RULES... If he was able to get away with doing what he did, then EVERYONE in College Football would do exactly what he did and expect nothing to happen.
HE only gave it up because it would have been taken from him. There had been talk for awhile about it... they should give it to its rightful owner, Vince Young... someone who obviously knew how to follow rules... It doesn't take away from how good Bush is or was but he made decisions that he should have thought about. He made his, Carroll made his and he got the hell out of dodge...
 


burky247 said:
I agree with you. The only way I would expect him to give up the award was if he was found guilty of something that was directly related to his on-field performance. For instance, if it had been discovered that he shaved points or was on steroids at the time. His family living in a house paid for by an agent did nothing to affect his performance on the field. I find it hard to believe that he was the only Heisman winner ever to be guilty of that anyway.
Still, it's probably best for him to give up the trophy and try to distance himself from the entire situation. The Heisman is a joke of an award anyway.
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It doesn't, and shouldn't, matter. Had he been caught in all this BEFORE the 2005 season, he would have been ineligible. The award is also supposed to represent integrity. Bush earned a TRIPLE facepalm on that front.

If you can find other Heisman winners who were proven to be guilty of such violations during their college playing days, then he would be allowed to keep it simply because of precedence. But if he's the first to have those violations PROVEN, then he absolutely should have given it back, because he didn't deserve it. Besides, Young should have won it in the first place.
 


tm3308 said:
It doesn't, and shouldn't, matter. Had he been caught in all this BEFORE the 2005 season, he would have been ineligible. The award is also supposed to represent integrity. Bush earned a TRIPLE facepalm on that front.

If you can find other Heisman winners who were proven to be guilty of such violations during their college playing days, then he would be allowed to keep it simply because of precedence. But if he's the first to have those violations PROVEN, then he absolutely should have given it back, because he didn't deserve it. Besides, Young should have won it in the first place.
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I'm sure that's the majority opinion.

Like I said, my opinion is that if it didn't affect performance on the field, if the infraction didn't give him an advantage, I wouldn't expect him to give up the trophy. I'm amazed how much things change just because these are technically amateur players. The home run record holder in baseball was a steroid freak...along with #2 and #3 as well. An honor that was directly tied into their crimes. And they are allowed to keep their records and awards. But if your family accepts something from an agent...well let's take everything away from him.

Admittedly, I've always been a Reggie fan. So that is probably clouding my judgement.
 


burky247 said:
I'm sure that's the majority opinion.

Like I said, my opinion is that if it didn't affect performance on the field, if the infraction didn't give him an advantage, I wouldn't expect him to give up the trophy. I'm amazed how much things change just because these are technically amateur players. The home run record holder in baseball was a steroid freak...along with #2 and #3 as well. An honor that was directly tied into their crimes. And they are allowed to keep their records and awards. But if your family accepts something from an agent...well let's take everything away from him.

Admittedly, I've always been a Reggie fan. So that is probably clouding my judgement.
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I was a big Bush fan at the time, too. I thought it was cool when he made that cutback run against Fresno. I turned around to my dad and said: "He just won the Heisman." There is nearly always that kind of moment in a Heisman winner's season, but that was the first time I got to see it as it happened.

But college is different from the pros. Things are different because these players are supposed to be amateur players. That's all that separates them from the pros.
 




Actually, he really should give it back. Check out the Heisman Trust Mission Statement:

Heisman Trust Mission Statement

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support AMATEUR athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents."
 




eh , The only reason he actually gave it back on his own accord was the increasing likely hood that the trust was going to strip the trophy from him anyways. So, this was his last chance to save a little bit of face and dignity. I wanted Vince Young to win the award and I still believe he should of.
 


It's nonsense. Although I believe Vince Young was more deserving that year, Reggie Bush isn't the first heisman winner to take money and he won't be the last. I wish he would have sold the trophy on Ebay.
 




hawkeyeraider said:
It's nonsense. Although I believe Vince Young was more deserving that year, Reggie Bush isn't the first heisman winner to take money and he won't be the last. I wish he would have sold the trophy on Ebay.
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Has any other Heisman winner had it PROVEN that he took money during his college playing days? This is a serious question. I'm only 20, so I can't go back too far. If all there's ever been was speculation and circumstantial evidence to support a case of amateurism violations for previous winners, that's not enough. Bush was found guilty by the NCAA.
 


I must be a hypocrite because I do think that the Heisman should be taken from Bush, however, I still believe the Rose should be in Baseball's HOF....
 


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