Brian Ferentz on Clock Management

Laughing my effing ass off.

Can anyone imagine what would happen if you did this type of shit in the NFL? Oh that’s right neither pops nor son are in the NFL ..................... go figure.
Kirk may never have been an NFL head coach, but he is still well respected in NFL circles. His final seal of approval on Jonathan Ogden, that Ogden could play guard for a season, probably convinced Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome to draft him. Bill Belichick also holds Kirk in high regard from the Cleveland days when Kirk was his offensive line coach.
 
Glad Brian took responsibility for two major clock management mistakes. Should have taken responsibility for the 3rd, because it WAS a mistake, and it's unfortunate that he doesn't recognize it. The primary reason behind all 3 mistakes is that he prioritized not letting the opponent have the last possession of the half -- regardless of the odds the opponent would face trying to score on that last possession. It's faulty reasoning from a statistics standpoint, if you significantly reduce your chances of scoring additional points by prioritizing your opponent not getting the ball back. While he defended himself by saying "both pass plays in the EZ were covered" with 21 seconds left in the half -- well OF COURSE they were well covered, because by running the clock down so far you had removed all chances of running the ball or running a balanced offense. He shot himself in the foot and doesn't even seem to understand that, which is baffling for someone making that kind of money for a relatively simple decision.
 
Which part are you saying is a major mistake exactly? I will agree that running out of bounds, or even calling a play that could result in a player running out of bounds was a major major mistake. It may really be the players fault, but they should never been in that position. But the rest of it, I don't think it was a mistake. First of all, just because they have a three man front doesn't mean it is so easy to just ram it down their throat and get the first down. Its not that simple. Second, I never said that it was a given that ISU was going to score so easily. They would have been facing the same thing that we were facing, a prevent type of defense with a lot of guys in coverage and a stout defensive line. Maybe they would have tried to score at the end of the half, maybe not, but it probably was dependent on time more than anything. Third, I was really trying to describe the situation and context at each critical point on that last of the half drive and what we were facing. Everything is a gamble, however, there are very few situations where there is nothing to lose and everything to win. More common are situations that is everything to lose and nothing to win, and obviously it is smart to stay away from those. The remainder are in between, and at that juncture the risks outweighed the rewards.

Now, personally, I would like to have seen when we got to the 35 with 2:00 left for us to have spread them out with a 10 personnel formation because it would have spread those linebackers out. I like it a lot better than the 11 personnel because I think our 4th receiver (Martin) is a hell of a lot better and more of a weapon than any tight end we have. We could have still ran and thrown like we did, just out of a different set. But even with a different formation, the methodolgy and situation were still the same.

I love your idea of spreading out the offense when in the red zone or close to it. It opens up the field and gives the QB room to operate. I also agree that Martin is a better weapon of choice over the tight ends.

Regarding the comments that Brian made about not playing Martin more, I felt bad for Martin. He could have handled it a lot better than he did. The way he phrased made it sound like Martin is way down the food chain. A simple “Martin is still learning the play book and making great progress. We hope to utilize his skills as often as we can.” Brian needs to pause and think things through before just saying the first thing that comes into his head.
 
Kirk may never have been an NFL head coach, but he is still well respected in NFL circles. His final seal of approval on Jonathan Ogden, that Ogden could play guard for a season, probably convinced Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome to draft him. Bill Belichick also holds Kirk in high regard from the Cleveland days when Kirk was his offensive line coach.

Don’t get me wrong I think he would make a great offensive line coach. Head coach, not so much. Fan bases would have his head if he lost a game because of terrible clock management. His offensive theology would put fans asleep and people don’t want to pay millions of dollars for commercials if no one is watching the game. An offensive guru he has never been.
 
I fully agree with him there. For the Ruters game, it's not only nice to hear him take complete ownership, but it's nice to hear him admit where his mistake was. He was thinking right with bleeding the clock. He just did it too much. Way too much.

I also agree that the ISU game wasn't a clock management issue. It was a "plays didn't work" issue. The only thing in question was letting so much clock drain before the 3rd and medium play. That's a tough situation because if you call timeout right away, then throw an incomplete pass, you essentially called a time out just to leave the other team time to score. In that situation, you have to factor the odds of getting the first down, plus the odds of scoring a touchdown after that, then compare that to the odds of them getting points if you don't covert the 3rd down play. I'm not saying it would have been wrong to call the time out right away and risk it. I'm just saying it was a close call either way so there wasn't really a wrong choice.

If it didn’t work, Iowa does have a defense to put on the field
 
They almost scored on another trick play. They were going to try another option pass and the man Colbert was supposed to be covering had streaked past him and I don't think he had a safety behind him.

Fortunately we got pressure on the passer and forced him to eat the ball. And just as fortunately our pass defense finally came up big in the fourth quarter, holding one drive to a field goal, then getting the big stop.

They didn’t almost score. The back end had it completely covered
 
Again, BF has been taking notes from Belichick, who learned it from the master, Bill Parcells. The Bill brothers would try to end the half with possession as much as possible.

I'm not saying it's right, or that it always works, but that's where he's learning it from. It was enough to steal a game they could easily have lost.
I get the point he’s making to score and have last possession.

The Bill and Bill coaches would not play prevent offense within the opponents’ territory under two minutes.

Plenty of opportunities to eat up clock after you get down to the ten yard line, take shots at the end zone, and if you fail then kick a 27 yd FG instead of a 48 yd FG.

That’s what the Bills would have done.
 
Don’t get me wrong I think he would make a great offensive line coach. Head coach, not so much. Fan bases would have his head if he lost a game because of terrible clock management. His offensive theology would put fans asleep and people don’t want to pay millions of dollars for commercials if no one is watching the game. An offensive guru he has never been.
You bring up a good point, and a big reason why Barry Alvarez turned down several NFL head coaching offers, including the Packers. Barry's ground and pound offense, running 65-70% of the time, would never fly in the NFL. Defenses at that level have too much speed and the running backs wouldn't be able to take the pounding.
 
The only logical reason I can see for stalling the game and working the clock is to prevent the opponent from getting the ball back and possibly scoring.....

If that is the case, it doesn't stop extreme frustration for the Hawkeye faithful.....

There has been a conservative bent to TheCaptain's ways and means. Probably going to be that way until he retires. Brian might have to go along with the schemes whether or not he completely agrees.....

The main positive is that we win the games in which the tactic is employed.....

Not making excuses, simply attempting to understand the logic. It is maddening to me.....

:cool:

Except, especially in the case of ISU, they would also be starting the second half the ball. Remember what happened at the beginning of the second half?
 
I get the point he’s making to score and have last possession.

The Bill and Bill coaches would not play prevent offense within the opponents’ territory under two minutes.

Plenty of opportunities to eat up clock after you get down to the ten yard line, take shots at the end zone, and if you fail then kick a 27 yd FG instead of a 48 yd FG.

That’s what the Bills would have done.
But you better not have turned it over, or you would have been dealing with a scorned tuna on the sidelines, and the halftime break as well.

I thought I read somewhere where the 1990 Super Bowl champion New York Giants, coached by Parcells with Belichick as DC, lost three fumbles. For the season. And only eleven turnovers in all.
 
Don’t get me wrong I think he would make a great offensive line coach. Head coach, not so much. Fan bases would have his head if he lost a game because of terrible clock management. His offensive theology would put fans asleep and people don’t want to pay millions of dollars for commercials if no one is watching the game. An offensive guru he has never been.
Multiple NFL offense have the same offense philosophy that KF. He is not a one off.

Fans not named Miami would fill the seats.

He would get crushed by the media/fans in the NFL for clock management. Every NFL coach does.
 
Listen to what you are saying PC. You don't want to take the timeout before the third down play because if you don't make it, you could leave time on the clock for the other team. Now, I don't remember how many timeouts ISU had...but really that shouldn't matter. It's the end of the first half, not the second..you are down 4 points and you have an entire second half to get it right. It's not like we are playing Oklahoma or some quick scoring team, unless you completely have defensive busts.

The fact of the matter is that he should have faith in his team...in his offense to convert the 3rd down. And in his defense to stop the other team if we leave 40 seconds on the clock. Give your offense the opportunity to run as many plays as they can to score a touchdown. I ask people...did not leaving time on the clock even enter your reasoning at that point? I'm like Iowa's given up 7 points on a trick play because a freshman got burned...and all the sudden you think Purdys going to throw ropes all over the field to score immediately?

That would have been a huge thing to go up at halftime. Play to win. I just don't understand anyone justifying that end of half decision making. It's defeatist.

But you are bringing emotion into it.

Talking about, "faith in your team" and "defeatist attitudes." Those things certainly matter, because football is an emotional game. But the Bill Belichek's of the world try to make these decisions as analytically and devoid of emotion as possible. The only question is, "What is the projected net point differential, i.e. points we are likely to score vs. points they are likely to score, if I select option A vs. option B?"

Now I am not going to take a side as to which decision is right in this case. But I think it is pretty clear that both are justifiable.

Iowa got inside ISU's 25 yard line 5 times, and they only got 1 TD out of those. If we take away end of 1st half and chalk that failure to get into the endzone as bad time-management, that is still only 1 out of 4 RZ opportunities turned into TDs. So it is safe to say ISU was pretty stingy in keeping us out of the EZ. So say they start using their timeouts after Smith's catch for a 1st down at ISU 35 (about 2 minutes left). If they do so and fail to get a 1st down, ISU has a minute left. If they do so and turn it over, ISU has more time left. If they do so and get a 1st down, they have more time to take shots at the endzone, but as we saw throughout the rest of the game, there is no guarantee that leads to a TD. I said I wouldn't take sides, but I actually think they should have started taking TOs earlier, not because they would have absolutely scored a TD, but because a 40+ yards FG is substantially lower probability than a <40 yard FG.

And you mention we had only given up 1 big play for a TD to that point, implying, "What are the odds they would give up another one in 40 seconds before half?" Well, ISU's first drive of the 2nd half was 2 plays, 76 yards, and less than a minute. So, it is certainly not beyond the realm of reason.

So are people upset because it was the wrong decision, or because it wasn't the gutsy decision?

I think mostly the latter. Whether it was right or wrong is very debatable, and I don't think anyone has enough information that they could have said conclusively, in the moment, that taking the TOs at 2 minutes absolutely would led to a higher projected net point differential than not taking the TOs.

If people are upset because it wasn't the gutsy call, they are right. But gutsy is not always right, and sometimes emotions get in the way of good decision-making. But on the flip side, football is an emotional game, and perhaps making that call energizes the Hawks and demoralizes ISU. I tend to side more with the school of thought that things like emotion and momentum are overrated for a well-coached, focused team, but I am not so naive as to think they don't matter at all.
 
A couple of thoughts here. If they are only rushing THREE guys with 2:00 minutes left and we have FIVE offensive linemen then we could have easily rammed it down their throats by just running the ball. Stopping the clock with every first down. Eventually they would be forced to try to stop the run and go back to a standard defense. That’s when the play action would be fatal to them. They think it’s a run again and BOOM!!!!!! Surprise it’s a pass!!! That’s what the play action is designed to do.

I am not arguing against you thinking they should have been more aggressive, that is debatable and I don't think there is a clear right or wrong.

But I think you are a little off-base with the bolded portion above. Dropping 8 DOES NOT mean that it is easier to run, only that it is easier to pass-protect. No guarantee of "easily ramming it down their throats."

And then we need to keep in mind the new clock rules they implemented a few years back. They stop the clock for a 1st down, but not for very long. The clock is typically wound within about 5 seconds in end of half situations if there is not a measurement. You can use the stopped clock to your advantage if you are willing to spike the ball and give up a down, but you are still going to lose about 5-10 seconds just getting your team lined up. This was much different a few years back when you could pretty much get your entire team lined up and set before they wound the clock.
 
Maybe this is being discussed in the other BF comments thread, but what I was most disappointed in was his response to 3rd and short situations. He commented that they are performing at a "championship level" in those situations, and Scott Dochterman has presented damning statistics that not only are they bad in those situations, but unequivocally the worst in the conference by a mile. I wanted him to admit that, not that he messed up at the end of the 1st half at ISU.

My hope is that he knows Dochterman is right, he is just waiting to spring his super-secret 3rd and short plays on the B1G. A guy can hope, right?
 
One other situation that as really surprising to me that no one is talking about...we called a timeout in a situation when the ISU had the ball, late in the play clock, and they are discombobulated...and the play clock is at two seconds, and Purdy is ready to call a time out and then what happens...KF calls a timeout. It was one of the 4th down plays in our territory I believe. We bailed them out.
 
One other situation that as really surprising to me that no one is talking about...we called a timeout in a situation when the ISU had the ball, late in the play clock, and they are discombobulated...and the play clock is at two seconds, and Purdy is ready to call a time out and then what happens...KF calls a timeout. It was one of the 4th down plays in our territory I believe. We bailed them out.

Do you know for sure that Iowa had the right personnel in, that they were lined up correctly, and that they had all communicated clearly about their assignments?
 
But you better not have turned it over, or you would have been dealing with a scorned tuna on the sidelines, and the halftime break as well.
of course not.

But if that’s the argument one is going to use (not directed AT you just the what-if) then

then the 4 points that KF never even attempted to grab would have looked huge at the end of the game when ISU needs to drive 75 yards for the winning score instead of 45 yards.

And also assuming they don’t tackle red jerseys on a PR.
 
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