Bowlsby Questioning Whether Robust Season Possible

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NorthKCHawk

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My own view is that whether there is a college football season will depend upon whether colleges reconvene the students back onto campus in August. If yes, then I think we have a football season with perhaps some targeted social distancing requirements at games (for instance, not allowing capacity crowds, limiting food sales, etc.).

But, I think there is a real question whether colleges decide to bring 25,000 kids from all over the world and stuff them into dorms together in 4 months. If that fear comes to pass, and college is virtual in the Fall, I cannot see how a football season would happen. Sigh......


https://www.espn.com/college-footba...b-bowlsby-concerned-having-full-robust-season
 
Its getting to the point where you have to ask yourself if the cure is worse than the disease. Lots of people have died and millions of people's lives have been changed because of this virus. At some point society needs to decide if they want to go back to the way things were and take precautions or live in fear and separate ourselves from each other.

If the football season is cancelled at what point do you bring it back and at what point do you just stop sports and close schools etc because there is always another virus or something else to come out.

I think the best thing about the virus is that is has shown many people how unprepared they were on a personal level as well as how unprepared we were as a nation and world for something like this. Obviously some ways of life need to change and habits changed but are we as a society prepared to take a step down that road of major change?
 
kameltoez102 said:
Its getting to the point where you have to ask yourself if the cure is worse than the disease. Lots of people have died and millions of people's lives have been changed because of this virus. At some point society needs to decide if they want to go back to the way things were and take precautions or live in fear and separate ourselves from each other.

If the football season is cancelled at what point do you bring it back and at what point do you just stop sports and close schools etc because there is always another virus or something else to come out.

I think the best thing about the virus is that is has shown many people how unprepared they were on a personal level as well as how unprepared we were as a nation and world for something like this. Obviously some ways of life need to change and habits changed but are we as a society prepared to take a step down that road of major change?
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Oh, theres a whole new way of life coming. Coded microchips implanted in ones wrist. From there people will have to pass a checkpoint at the entrance to their workplace and prove their well enough to work.

It won't just be there either. An eight year old riding his bike to the Dairy Queen will have to pass a checkpoint before he can order an ice cream cone.

Get ready for an overcautious America. This would frightening even in George Orwell's dreams. The longer they can hold on to social distancing the more certain people will push it as the new normal. It's the general theme of every dystopian book and movie of the last 100 years.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
My own view is that whether there is a college football season will depend upon whether colleges reconvene the students back onto campus in August. If yes, then I think we have a football season with perhaps some targeted social distancing requirements at games (for instance, not allowing capacity crowds, limiting food sales, etc.).

But, I think there is a real question whether colleges decide to bring 25,000 kids from all over the world and stuff them into dorms together in 4 months. If that fear comes to pass, and college is virtual in the Fall, I cannot see how a football season would happen. Sigh......


https://www.espn.com/college-footba...b-bowlsby-concerned-having-full-robust-season
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If this virus is still around an infecting people in August with no vaccine or cure once one is sick I sure do not want my grand kids physically going to school.

You know sometimes you live during a time something bad happens or when something good happens.

My mom got polio around 1946 or so when carrying my second sister who is older than me. Luckily my mom's case was not crippling but medium and she recovered. But I remember growing up in the 1950's and hearing about and seeing the people with bad polio in iron lungs. And then about 1958 my parents took our family and we all went to get the polio vaccine shot. So many billions of people were given the vaccine and millions for sure spared the disease and able to go swimming in the warm water.

Right now we are hurting but maybe soon a vaccine will be ready.
 
I would say there is no conceivable way there is going to be a season until there is a vaccine. I work in the medical field and there still is not widespread testing available like there needs to be in order to get life back to somewhat normal. Packing kids in dorms and classes is a recipe for disaster.
 
Hearing more and more chatter about virtual classes this Fall, starting colleges back in person after xmas break, and a Spring football season. Could be interesting to have MBB and football going at the same time!
 
NorthKCHawk said:
Hearing more and more chatter about virtual classes this Fall, starting colleges back in person after xmas break, and a Spring football season. Could be interesting to have MBB and football going at the same time!
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I'm not sure how that would work. As much as we all want sports back I think football and basketball totally overlapping could be a nightmare as there isn't enough TV hours in the day. That said I'd definitely welcome it, but would hope its only temporary.
 
Caddy said:
I would say there is no conceivable way there is going to be a season until there is a vaccine. I work in the medical field and there still is not widespread testing available like there needs to be in order to get life back to somewhat normal. Packing kids in dorms and classes is a recipe for disaster.
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There is already talk of a spring season for NCAA football this year.

You can't get away with empty stadiums for NCAA games. The universities and conference depend on fan revenue too much.

Get ready for "health detectors" right alongside metal detectors and merchandise checks. Fail the health test and no admission.

The other thing football has working against it is the date for a point of no return occurs well before the season begins.

In addition to getting a vaccine developed as soon as possible we need testing, cell phone tracking, proof of immunity, and other discoveries as medical people get their around this. Maybe the immune and the recovered can donate their plasma, a simple procedure, to higher risk people.
 
I think once the antibody tests are available, we're going to see that there were ALOT more asymptomatic infected people than we realized, which means the actual death rate isn't even close to as bad as we originally thought. In places that have antibody testing underway right now, they're finding the death rate is actually .6% and not the 1-3% that we originally thought. While it's still about 5 times higher than the flu, it's not the 10-30 times higher that was originally thought. The sooner we can stop this whole shelter-in-place mess and start trying to get herd immunity going, the better off we'll be come this fall and next spring. But the longer we wait, the harder it's going to get.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Oh, theres a whole new way of life coming. Coded microchips implanted in ones wrist. From there people will have to pass a checkpoint at the entrance to their workplace and prove their well enough to work.

It won't just be there either. An eight year old riding his bike to the Dairy Queen will have to pass a checkpoint before he can order an ice cream cone.

Get ready for an overcautious America. This would frightening even in George Orwell's dreams. The longer they can hold on to social distancing the more certain people will push it as the new normal. It's the general theme of every dystopian book and movie of the last 100 years.
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It's crazy how we as a society just flat out over-react to everything.

A couple people in a cave in Afghanistan get lucky and all of a sudden we have to practically strip naked to get on a plane. I'm pretty sure there's a better method to protect passengers than that.

And now a virus that appears to have a mortality rate, once it's all said and done, maybe 3x the mortality rate of the flu and all of a sudden we have to shut the whole effing country down and can't reopen until we have a vaccine that may never come?

When did we become such pussies and afraid of our gd shadow?
 
SpiderRico said:
It's crazy how we as a society just flat out over-react to everything.

A couple people in a cave in Afghanistan get lucky and all of a sudden we have to practically strip naked to get on a plane. I'm pretty sure there's a better method to protect passengers than that.

And now a virus that appears to have a mortality rate, once it's all said and done, maybe 3x the mortality rate of the flu and all of a sudden we have to shut the whole effing country down and can't reopen until we have a vaccine that may never come?

When did we become such pussies and afraid of our gd shadow?
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Good question.

The aforementioned polio virus was just as contagious and probably had the capability of doing more damage, including to children. But to the best of my knowledge schools were never shut down, let alone the country, because of the polio threat. And those who caught it were expected to accept their bad break in life without drama or fuss. My parents told me that's how you were raised then.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Good question.

The aforementioned polio virus was just as contagious and probably had the capability of doing more damage, including to children. But to the best of my knowledge schools were never shut down, let alone the country, because of the polio threat. And those who caught it were expected to accept their bad break in life without drama or fuss. My parents told me that's how you were raised then.
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Actually, there were quarantines for polio back in the day (although they were more selective). Mostly, cities handled the outbreaks as they saw fit. Here's stories from Milwaukee (40s and 50s), Chicago (1937 - kids learned from school over the radio) and New York (starting in 1916).

https://shepherdexpress.com/news/mi...rced-milwaukeeans-to-stay-at-home/#/questions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...-polio-epidemic-kids-learned-home-over-radio/

https://theconversation.com/how-a-v...-to-a-standstill-in-the-summer-of-1916-134955
 
Robowe said:
Actually, there were quarantines for polio back in the day (although they were more selective). Mostly, cities handled the outbreaks as they saw fit. Here's stories from Milwaukee (40s and 50s), Chicago (1937 - kids learned from school over the radio) and New York (starting in 1916).

https://shepherdexpress.com/news/mi...rced-milwaukeeans-to-stay-at-home/#/questions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...-polio-epidemic-kids-learned-home-over-radio/

https://theconversation.com/how-a-v...-to-a-standstill-in-the-summer-of-1916-134955
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Quarantines are way different than shutting down 96% of the country. I'm all in favor of quarantines in select hotspots and for people that test positive.

But to go to the extreme of purposefully shutting down the country and forcing 22 million people and counting into unemployment is assinine.

We used to be better than this.
 
SpiderRico said:
Quarantines are way different than shutting down 96% of the country. I'm all in favor of quarantines in select hotspots and for people that test positive.

But to go to the extreme of purposefully shutting down the country and forcing 22 million people and counting into unemployment is assinine.

We used to be better than this.
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If we get to one million cases in this country, which is reasonable, that still means 99.6% of the country didn't get the virus, confirming that many millions of people had built in immunity to this virus from the get go (could obviously still pass it to the more vulnerable)

Social distancing was an important first step. Now it's time to at least get people back to work. This is America, not the old Soviet Union.
 
This thread is teetering on the edge of politics, but everyone has been pretty respectful in my view.

Clearly the social distancing worked to stop the initial spread. If the governors had done nothing, the dead would be much higher than the 60-80k they are estimating through August now. Lacking any better solutions, I think the government did the right thing by shutting things down for 60 days and buying time to come up with a plan.

But, I agree that it is time to start slowly coming back to life as a country, with a measured return to work and play that still incorporates smart social distancing, and hopefully ubiquitous testing and appropriate tracking/quarantine.

Because I believe this is the likely direction things are heading, and because I do not see those types of policies compatible with packing 70,000 peeps into a stadium in August, I am not optimistic about Fall Football.

Also, keep in mind that in order to proceed with football, pretty much everyone has to agree. It will only take a handful of schools to declare no football for everyone to follow suit IMHO.
 
To all the folks on this thread who think this is just another 'flu', and we're all pussies, get real. My son is on the front lines of this, working in a COVID-19 ICU. I hope to God you don't end up on a ventilator like many others in the US who once minimized the risk. The longer people like you act like nothing is wrong, the longer my son will be having to literally risk his life. Think about it, if it was YOUR family member. Now, onto lighter things...
Ohio St. and Oklahoma have already prohibited gatherings on their campus until at least Aug. 1. So there will be no fall football season which starts on Labor Day. Period. It's either start Oct. 1 or later. BTen ADs have a consensus to not start playing games until fans can be in the stands. Will fans flock to stadiums beginning in Oct, with no vaccine available? Doubtful. Playing either an 8 or 12 game season in the spring of 2021 makes the most sense: it's possible a vaccine will be available by then, more herd immunity will be in effect, it will be safer for the players and fans, and the revenue still counts in the same university fiscal year. Wins all around.
 
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