Bob Bowlsby just made me puke!

[hawkeyebob62]

I know it. It bugs the flying F out of me. It is not that hard and this is the most simple and fair solution. Nobody could really bitch. It would still make EVERY game in the P5 conference schedule important plus give any outlier teams a chance if have a great season. I don't get how they can't F'ing implement this.

It also balances (perceived) inequities in two-division conferences, a 2-loss O$U beats an undefeated Wisconsin and gets in, while not necessarily disqualifying a post CG one-loss Wisconsin. But the first rule for "non-winner"/"at-large" teams is that 1) They win CCG, and, if they don't, 2) preference is given to teams that DID play for their CCG. "Preference" isn't, in this case, hard and fast "gospel", but a one-loss Wiscy vs. a one-loss Bama shouldn't default to Bama because of the misperception that Bama had a tougher conference schedule or Wiscy had a tougher non-con schedule. Simply an "all-things-being-equal" scenario for at-large teams...

 

[judzeehawk]

I know it. It bugs the flying F out of me. It is not that hard and this is the most simple and fair solution. Nobody could really bitch. It would still make EVERY game in the P5 conference schedule important plus give any outlier teams a chance if have a great season. I don't get how they can't F'ing implement this.

Because just like this year they wouldn't be able to put Alabama into the mix. ESECPN needs to protect their cash cow.

 

[Fryowa]

There is no way in hell Bama would be left out of any playoff bracket this year.

Yeah there would---they didn't win their conference.

Under a conference champ qualifying system you either win to get in or sit out. Alabama or no Alabama. They could bitch all they want but they'd know what they had to do going into the year.

So, basically what you're saying is that if the Patriots didn't qualify for the playoffs because they didn't win their division or the wild card, they should still be let in over the Chiefs because the Pats are better? That makes no sense.

 

[DDThompson]

I'm not one to say that UCF is a top 4 team worthy of playing for a championship. With that said however, IMO based on what was laid out by the committee leading up to the selection, UCF did more to earn that spot in the playoffs then Alabama did.

Whether UCF belonged or not they ran the table and won their conference. Whether a brutal schedule ,or not and proved it by winning each and every week. Bama was on the outside of the top 4 with a loss, failing to win their division and were participating in the final (and what should have been the most important) week of the season from the comfort of their athletic facility sitting on their ass watching other teams take care of business.

Regardless of what happened to the other teams in front of them, Bama did absolutely nothing to get themselves into the that playoff spot. Do I think Bama will win it all...Yes. Do I think Bama is/was the best team in the county...Yes. Do I think they played a schedule that gave them the benefit of the doubt of being considered without winning their division. No. But they did beat Mercer 56-0 before losing to Auburn so that should remove all doubt.

It's a 4 team playoff...Teams are going to be left out, but that said being undefeated should speak for itself. UCF did all they could do and that was run the table. Bama slid into the playoffs by sitting at home. I have zero problems whatsoever with any argument stating UCF was more deserving to get in than Bama.

CP4 Committee has said CP4 isn’t about “earning” it. It’s about being the four best teams. Agree or not with that (I don’t) that’s what it is.

There is disagreement who was the 4th best team this year. UCF wasn’t anywhere near that discussion.

 

[kameltoez102]

CP4 Committee has said CP4 isn’t about “earning” it. It’s about being the four best teams. Agree or not with that (I don’t) that’s what it is.

There is disagreement who was the 4th best team this year. UCF wasn’t anywhere near that discussion.

I understand the way things are now and I get it but I think College Football has a real good chance to separate themselves from the NFL even further by providing a better playoff system than what they currently have. With the NFL being down for various reasons it would be an great opportunity to get new regional fans that maybe were not big college fans before. What were the bowl ratings this year and attendance? It seems to me that a few added playoff games plus the regular bowl games, provided the sponsors want to keep doing them, would not hurt anything. There just seem to be so many better options than what the current system is, that is constantly nit picked every year. This isn't just something to bitch about for the Hawkeyes to make it once and awhile. I think it is for the better of the entire college football system and for a sport that is dying in numbers.

 

[mopkins]

I don't think anyone is going to argue that UCF is a better team than Alabama. But the fact that UFC didnt get into the CFP is also stupid. Why is UCF even considered D1 if they can beat every opponent put in front of them and not win a title? That doesn't make sense either.

Either add more playoff spots or specify that if you're in the AAC or Mountain West you can't make the CFP.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I don't think anyone is going to argue that UCF is a better team than Alabama. But the fact that UFC didnt get into the CFP is also stupid. Why is UCF even considered D1 if they can beat every opponent put in front of them and not win a title? That doesn't make sense either.

Either add more playoff spots or specify that if you're in the AAC or Mountain West you can't make the CFP.

Xactly!!

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

Yeah there would---they didn't win their conference.

Under a conference champ qualifying system you either win to get in or sit out. Alabama or no Alabama. They could bitch all they want but they'd know what they had to do going into the year.

So, basically what you're saying is that if the Patriots didn't qualify for the playoffs because they didn't win their division or the wild card, they should still be let in over the Chiefs because the Pats are better? That makes no sense.

No, I am saying your 3 wild card teams would be from any conference. Not just the non power 5.

 

[Bordone]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about the college football national championship? It's not a level playing field and never will be.

Different admission standards not only between conferences but between schools.
Players are recruited not drafted.
All of the selection members are in some way tied to schools/conferences (I know people recuse themselves if their specific team is in the voting but that doesn't stop people from voting along conference lines).

The only thing the playoffs and nc game do is prove people are still willing to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes of commercials and horrible commentary to watch 15 minutes of action.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about the college football national championship? It's not a level playing field and never will be.

Different admission standards not only between conferences but between schools.
Players are recruited not drafted.
All of the selection members are in some way tied to schools/conferences (I know people recuse themselves if their specific team is in the voting but that doesn't stop people from voting along conference lines).

The only thing the playoffs and nc game do is prove people are still willing to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes of commercials and horrible commentary to watch 15 minutes of action.

I resigned myself to the fact that Iowa would never win a national title years ago, but I still care about the national championship. I'll probably never own a super car, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy watching some Formula 1 racing.

 

[Fryowa]

No, I am saying your 3 wild card teams would be from any conference. Not just the non power 5.

That wouldn’t work because you’d never have any of the 6 smaller conferences playing. With the exception of the odd UCF-style team like this year, the top 8 teams in the country are all P5 by a mile.

 

[Fryowa]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about the college football national championship? It's not a level playing field and never will be.

We don’t care about it now but everyone would if they’d make it a level playing field. Which is easily possible by moving to an 8 team, P5 champ + 3 at large playoff.

Hence the discussion on this thread.

 

[Fryowa]

I resigned myself to the fact that Iowa would never win a national title years ago, but I still care about the national championship. I'll probably never own a super car, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy watching some Formula 1 racing.

Even with the shitty four team playoff they have now it’s more possible than it was 10, 20, 30+ years ago. In 2015 all Iowa had to do was beat MSU and win two games.

 

[NCHawker]

Yeah there would---they didn't win their conference.

Under a conference champ qualifying system you either win to get in or sit out. Alabama or no Alabama. They could bitch all they want but they'd know what they had to do going into the year.

So, basically what you're saying is that if the Patriots didn't qualify for the playoffs because they didn't win their division or the wild card, they should still be let in over the Chiefs because the Pats are better? That makes no sense.

This is funny. Alabama did make the playoff. So 100% chance that it is so.

 

[Fryowa]

This is funny. Alabama did make the playoff. So 100% chance that it is so.

I might be misinterpreting your post, but when I said that I was referencing a hypothetical playoff that would not include Alabama because they didn’t win their conference. Which is the way I think it should be.

If I’m in left field, sorry. Internets are hard.

 

[westender]

Iowa beat ISU who beat Oklahoma so the Hawks really should have played Georgia in the playoff instead of Oklahoma.

 

[westender]

Jesus Christ already.

Play an 8 team playoff made up of P5 champs and the 3 non-P5 teams with the best records and tie breakers after that.

It's not that hard. If a team in the Sun Belt or wherever bitches that they won their conference but didn't get in because they didn't have as good a record, then tough taters.

I'd just do top 8 and tell them to get in a real conference!

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

That wouldn’t work because you’d never have any of the 6 smaller conferences playing. With the exception of the odd UCF-style team like this year, the top 8 teams in the country are all P5 by a mile.

Undefeated teams with a pulse would make it. Florida Atlantic plays at Oklahoma, Air Force at home and at central Florida next year. They win that game and go undefeated they would be in the final 8.

 

[kicker22]

It just amazes me that after all the years spent trying to put a playoff system in place they come up with a system in which an undefeated program can be left out. I can't think of a single instance I've ever came across at any level of competition in which an undefeated program didn't make the playoffs to compete for a championship.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It just amazes me that after all the years spent trying to put a playoff system in place they come up with a system in which an undefeated program can be left out. I can't think of a single instance I've ever came across at any level of competition in which an undefeated program didn't make the playoffs to compete for a championship.

I know it. How dumb is this. People think about it. We have a team that is a part of a certain group which is Div 1 FBS. They designed a playoff system for Div 1 FBS to determine a national champion, but, state to a team that they aren't worthy enough to participate when undefeated. How F'ed up is that??

So, yea we have a system, but you don't get to play in it.