Bleak Future?

JonDMiller said:
I think its a bit too early to say that. There are seven regular season games left. That is a lot of time for young players to get some playing time and make important investments in the future.

My guess is, with four of the next five games at home, more and more young players will be worked into the mix.

I was frustrated yesterday too, but no one expected this to be a 'great' Iowa football team. Most predictions were 7-5 and 8-4...and a lot of that was based on the schedule. Taking away the schedule, I don't argue with Deace's preseason opinion on this team; it seemed like 6-6 talent but the schedule was worth a couple more wins.

We'll see how it goes.

If you can get to a bowl game in a rebuilding year at Iowa (historically), that's outperforming the norm.

Still a lot of football left to play.

The loss of McCall hurts more each week, too
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And no Bullock or Canzeri yesterday. Not a play? WTF?
 






CAARHawk said:
I can deal with a rebuilding year. The problem I have is that I don't see rebuilding happening. By this, I mean to say I am concerned at how few young players seem to be getting developed on this sub-par team. Like last year when Mac went down and the team went with a fifth year senior walk-on and basically tanked for the rest of the year, the Hawks seem to have gone the same route.
The problem is that as we have seen with Tobin's inconsistent play, having guys have to come in with no experience is NOT a way to be successful.

So, here is my question: "Which young players do you see being developed for future team success?" What is your list?

As I see it, it is only really Morris, Kirksey, and M-Manley. I thought Hitchens would be on that list, but instead we see Donatell getting his reps.

So tell me your list.
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Outside of the guys, all of which all believe will develop into B10 level starters, Morris & Kirksey already are there, not a lot.

Tobin on the OL has started.
Mac played solid last year but we need him back.
Miller has improved.
Davis has gotten some meaningful reps but doesn't look ready.
Alvis is starting but doesn't look ready.
Coker is a solid RB, probably not who you want to be the lead guy though.

Hopefully guys are being developed in practice. We are likely to lose up to 11 starters this year so ready or not a lot of guys who are not playing now will be in 11 months.
 




I'd rather have to develop 4 and 5 star players than MAC candidates :)

A little sarcasm (and a bit of truth) but it just emphasizes that when the staff misses on a recruit that they sign and the player never "develops" as they projected then the pain is greater for a program such as ours vs. those that can go out and land a Top 100-150 player to fill their need.

We used to have some pretty strong recruiters and pipelines on the staff years ago. I'm not so certain now.

P.S. More to the OP.....to me it appears more stuff is being thrown at the walls to see what sticks and I interpret that as something less than positive. With the same head coach and staff in place for many years now it would seem we should be doing more reloading than rebuilding.
 


MJSCK said:
Out of the eight on the two deeps for the d-line, three will return next year. And only one starter. It's not going to be good.
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Next year? ****, it's not good this year. I wont ever call for Kirk's head though....ever.
 


JonDMiller said:
By that measure, 2002 was a blip on the radar, or every good Iowa season is a blip on the radar.

KF chooses to play a brand of football that rewards execution, fundamental balance and making fewer . mistakes than your opponent...Iowa went nearly 50 games between losses of more than 10 points...not a stat that you put on a t-shirt, but this has been a very, very competitive program during his era.

I don't think you can throw all that into one bucket of 'Iowa has just been lucky'.
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Nationally this is correct. NO one cares outside of the borders of IOWA.
 


There are a lot of good things to expect in the future. Iowa has some 300lb freshmen in the system to add to the players that are getting experiance now. These guys will get better and put Iowa back in contention.

I tend to think these years are more the blip on the radar than the good years. Every year we don't know what will happen but we know there will be some memorable moments. So far this year we have the Pitt game. There will be others.
 


HawkeyeDenis said:
There are a lot of good things to expect in the future. Iowa has some 300lb freshmen in the system to add to the players that are getting experiance now. These guys will get better and put Iowa back in contention.

I tend to think these years are more the blip on the radar than the good years. Every year we don't know what will happen but we know there will be some memorable moments. So far this year we have the Pitt game. There will be others.
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As mentioned either in this or another thread today, since 2004, the 6/7 win seasons have been the norm. We've won 8 or more games (prior to bowls) just twice in that time. 2002-2004 is falling farther and farther behind the present all the time. To quote another poster, it's not "just yesterday" anymore. I wish it were, but it isn't.
 


Let's be honest here......if we have another 6-6 season the last seven seasons isn't going to be anything to write home about especially for one of the highest paid coaches in college football. Lets hope some home cooking can help turn this thing around and we end up with a decent season.
 


KF will tie any future QBs hand behind his back like he has done with all his QBs. Iowa will never see the true talent that some of these kids have because KF won't allow them.
 


Statistics are for engineers and can be manipulated many ways.

I would much rather watch a KF coached team go for all the marbles and quit with the play not lose attitude. What would the statistics have been like had KF adjusted to a new offense (his uptempo offense that we know he can run and run quite successfully). How many games did Iowa lose that they could easily have won without that ultraconservative play calling?

Perhaps it is time KF adjusts to college football instead of expecting college football to adjust to him.

We all know he is not about to do that even if he doesn't have the team that can play "his" style of ball. He will run into a brick wall all day even though he knows he can't get any yardage; and the defense knows he will run into a brick wall. Iowa has to be the easiest team to get ready for; plus the opposition knows KF will keep a game close and play not to lose, so they have a chance against Iowa every game even if they shouldn't.

That is why young coaches like Bielma is becoming so successful. He uses all the tools he has at a maximum and is not afraid to pour it on an opposing team. He is willing to take chances and he now has a team that could possibly play for a national championship and Iowa is on par to go 5-7, 6-6, and (or) 7-5 after they burn the uptempo playbook...much to risky for a coach like KF.

Am I angry, no, I have accepted the fact that KF is not going to change even though we fans have seen a very exciting uptempo offense from him. He would much rather run his same seven plays every game.

I wish he hadn't even shown his uptempo offense to us fans. At least then we could just watch Iowa flounder and could say, well that is the way it is. But having shown his uptempo offense and now refusing to use it in big games is incredibly disappointing and frustrating.

Nice guy but just is not a good game coach and refuses to let his offensive coordinator show what he can do. It is almost like, "if I am not a good gameday coach, I certainly am not going to allow my coordinator to be one."
 


Have we not recruited O or D linemen the past few years? We are getting our ***** handed to us on both sides of the ball...even by the Cyclowns. It's time to get some new faces on the field so we aren't hearing the same crap about "learning who we are" 5 games into next season. In defense of the O line, they are trying to block 8 guys. The D line is small, slow and incapable of getting any penetration. In football, nothing else matters if your line play sucks.
 


Welp. We're boned. There's no way we're rebuilding. Let's just shutdown the football program and save ourselves the heartache.
 


edr247 said:
Welp. We're boned. There's no way we're rebuilding. Let's just shutdown the football program and save ourselves the heartache.
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You meant that as sarcasm but unfortunately the direction of the program is no laughing matter. For the money that we're paying our head coach, we should be reloading every year - not rebuilding! Check out what BB is doing at Wisconsin.
 


bkim24 said:
3 out of 4 starters on the dline are seniors.. we will be rebuilding next year as well..
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From the way the DLine has played I dont think that is necessarily going to be a bad thing. Got some good sized D Line commits on the next recruiting class and a couple freshman who havnt seen the field yet. Way to early to be all doom and gloom. Penn St is allowed to beat us once every 4 years or so Its ok we will get over it.
 


FromFry2Ferentz said:
From the way the DLine has played I dont think that is necessarily going to be a bad thing. Got some good sized D Line commits on the next recruiting class and a couple freshman who havnt seen the field yet. Way to early to be all doom and gloom. Penn St is allowed to beat us once every 4 years or so Its ok we will get over it.
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I would agree but only three guys return next year of the eight on the two deeps. It looks as though we're in for a long couple of years.
 




hawkIhoops said:
Have we not recruited O or D linemen the past few years? We are getting our ***** handed to us on both sides of the ball...even by the Cyclowns. It's time to get some new faces on the field so we aren't hearing the same crap about "learning who we are" 5 games into next season. In defense of the O line, they are trying to block 8 guys. The D line is small, slow and incapable of getting any penetration. In football, nothing else matters if your line play sucks.
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I don't know why Iowa couldn't throw down the field just a little bit more on Saturday, given your point...
 


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