Blame and Credit

[TulipCityHawk]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

 

[Fryowa]

Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road,...

If we're talking about credibility, this just killed it.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

No, not allowed. If Iowa wins, it's already been determined that it will be in spite of Kirk and Brian and not because of them.

 

[Xerxes]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

Norm & Phil have been given plenty of credit over the years by posters. As have Bielema, Morgan, Philbin, etc.

However the last 20 years is a pretty large sample size. Regardless of the type of offense Iowa is running, the amount of talent & experience of the players on offense, or the OC calling plays, its always been the unit holding this program up. Its actually amazing how poorly Iowa's offense has performed regularly over the last 20 years. Just an average offense most likely = twice as many B1G championships for KF.

So speaking for myself, I'm going to need to see a lot more than one win to start patting the Ferentz crew on the back.

 

[thetrza]

I usually give myself credit when things go well and blame others when things don't turn out they way I want them to. Its a good way to go about life.

 

[HawkGold]

How do we analyze it if he wins by Ferentzing....e g getting pasted in yardage, dominated for 50 minutes and win at the end? That's a gimmick that works for him.

I would guess that Iowa has just as many future nflers.

Does it count if Iowa uses Ferentzing and could beat them at home straight up anyway.

 

[seepig]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

Uhhhh you are leaving some GAPING bits of evidence OUT. IF Iowa wins 3-0 we can certainly give Phil Parker love and respect. I have for the past 2 years frankly how he keeps us in the ballgame with his D no matter what the situation is admirable. The offense is a WHOLE other beast. Again lets hire an OL coach make him OC and hire an experience OC and make him the OL coach (0 experience here). Do I also need to remind you of the GREG DAVIS experiment...deplorable and just another flat out BAD coaching decision. Kirk has a LOT to explain relative to bad performances against the same teams year after year. It's well documented the last 3 years against PSU, Wisconsin, Purdue and NW have been nothing short of a DISASTER and yet here we are again with a team that actually has the talent to beat PSU this weekend....if we win 3-0 it's BAD period.

 

[DDThompson]

How do we analyze it if he wins by Ferentzing....e g getting pasted in yardage, dominated for 50 minutes and win at the end? That's a gimmick that works for him.

for “us” and by that I mean “y’all” it’s the same repetitious vapidness.

I would guess that Iowa has just as many future nflers

This is true. But I’ve always thought that stat used by Miller and Deace is pretty worthless — I mean a future NFLer that plays a little as a freshman has limited impact on a season compared to a redshirt junior or senior.

Does it count if Iowa uses Ferentzing and could beat them at home straight up anyway.

why wouldn’t a win count as a win?

Analyzing is subjective. A “W” or “L” isn’t.

But I know soccer fans are big on participation ribbons so maybe wins and losses are subjective.

 

[KCHawkeye]

If we're talking about credibility, this just killed it.

That's where I was going, until I read your post. Beat me to it.

 

[hawkinn3]

Coaching yes but a big chunk of blame is on Stanley. With Stanley you have zero chance in big game against good teams. We will lose on Saturday with Stanley playing like crapz

 

[kicker22]

Coaching yes but a big chunk of blame is on Stanley. With Stanley you have zero chance in big game against good teams. We will lose on Saturday with Stanley playing like crapz

Not arguing with you, but in that case wouldn't that equally be on the coaches? I'm by no means saying Stanley isn't part of the problem, but I put it right up there with CJ's last game in a Hawkeye uniform. At what point does a coaching staff have to say they've seen enough and make changes or switch things up.

 

[NCHawker]

Kirk has unequivocally demonstrated a high tolerance for sub standard offense. His standards are low when it comes to offensive output.

Just count how many years has Iowa's rushing, passing and scoring ranked in the bottom half of the league.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

Did you give KF credit 2 years ago when they beat OSU?

Probably. I think most did. And hell, BF coached like an actual B1G OC that day!

But then the next game they got 66 yards against Wisconsin.

The next game they lost at home to 4-6 PU.

What about the year before, when they beat #2 Michigan?!? Hell yeah, right?

Of course, that was the week after getting crushed at PSU.

Which was the week after losing at home to Wisconsin.

Which was 3 weeks after losing at home to (1-3, lost to fcs Illinois St) Northwestern.

Which was 2 weeks after losing at home to N Dakota St.

So in other words, the "beating teams we shouldn't beat" is only a small part of the picture.

 

[uihawk82]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

You just added the main anomaly to Kirk's tenure at Iowa. He and his teams routinely beat teams that maybe or probably they shouldnt and then Kirk cant get his team up to smash lesser teams and he losses to them.

Please tell me why posters on this board and other hawk fans shouldnt be scratching their heads being fans of a team that is an 8-4 team which can beat more powerful teams yet yearly loses one or two games they probably shouldnt.

About 10 years ago, around 2011 or so looked at all of Kirk's final scores and added just 4 points onto the Hawks total for each game. I wanted to know how the record would look if Kirk somehow could squeeze just a few more points on avg for each game.

And I found that they would have won right around 1.5 more games a year.

I just cant understand how we beat these tough teams and then come out a lot of times and look like there is no plan on offense and no urgency to beat weaker teams.

 

[Fryowa]

Mr Orange City @TulipCityHawk guy is a hit and run troll poster like @IowaLawWasRight

 

[HawkGold]

for “us” and by that I mean “y’all” it’s the same repetitious vapidness.

This is true. But I’ve always thought that stat used by Miller and Deace is pretty worthless — I mean a future NFLer that plays a little as a freshman has limited impact on a season compared to a redshirt junior or senior.

why wouldn’t a win count as a win?

Analyzing is subjective. A “W” or “L” isn’t.

But I know soccer fans are big on participation ribbons so maybe wins and losses are subjective.

Hey DD

I thought the last home PSU game...Hawks were better and KFk it close by...using soccer ..loading the box

 

[DDThompson]

Please tell me why posters on this board and other hawk fans shouldnt be scratching their heads being fans of a team that is an 8-4 team which can beat more powerful teams yet yearly loses one or two games they probably shouldnt.
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I just cant understand how we beat these tough teams and then come out a lot of times and look like there is no plan on offense and no urgency to beat weaker teams.

Because it's an athletic enterprise with human players on both sides of the ball and human coaches on both sidelines. It's a human thing. I don't get jacked up to the same level for each game as a fan because of the opponent. I didn't when I played sports.

If we can beat more powerful teams with lesser talent, then the reverse must also be true: lesser teams can beat a more powerful Iowa team.

 

[Caddy]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

Really good ISU team? Not hardly.

 

[dahlhawk]

According to many on here, our coaching staff deserves ALL of the blame for the Michigan loss. It's competely on them, we got outcoached, etc. I do agree that many criticisms are completely justified.

However, rarely do I see the same posters ever giving Kirk, Brian, etc., any credit for beating teams we shouldn't beat, which has happened a lot during Kirk's tenure. Rarely do I see credit given to the staff for doing the positive things it has done. Even in beating a really good ISU team on the road, some gave more criticism than credit to our staff.

Just wondering: if Iowa beats Penn State, can we all give Kirk and Brian and staff credit?

Iowa St. beat themselves. Kirk beat Miss. St., good win, but not a huge upset. Kirk beat Ohio St., once. Great win, but didn't back it up. Not a lot of upsets by Iowa in the last 3 years. Been upset quite a few times. I guess most fans are looking at consistency, making the next level. Beating Wisconsin. I see the argument on both sides. Unfortunately, bringing Greg Davis in when Kirk had his pick of OC's left a bad taste in the mouths of many fans and then doubling down with his son didn't help, and the offense is still a mess, with a third year starter at QB. Honestly, Brian better pull something out of his arse or the noise will get louder.

 

[dahlhawk]

You just added the main anomaly to Kirk's tenure at Iowa. He and his teams routinely beat teams that maybe or probably they shouldnt and then Kirk cant get his team up to smash lesser teams and he losses to them.

Please tell me why posters on this board and other hawk fans shouldnt be scratching their heads being fans of a team that is an 8-4 team which can beat more powerful teams yet yearly loses one or two games they probably shouldnt.

About 10 years ago, around 2011 or so looked at all of Kirk's final scores and added just 4 points onto the Hawks total for each game. I wanted to know how the record would look if Kirk somehow could squeeze just a few more points on avg for each game.

And I found that they would have won right around 1.5 more games a year.

I just cant understand how we beat these tough teams and then come out a lot of times and look like there is no plan on offense and no urgency to beat weaker teams.

I guess in contrast Fry crushed lessor teams and rarely lost to an underdog. Fry wasn't afraid to take chances or step on a teams' throat. I miss that.