I disagree with your thought regarding ND joining a conference in order to stay relevant. They seem to have the $, fans and history to not only remain relevant, but to be very strong going forward. I am certain no fan of Notre Dame, but it appears to me that it could come off looking a lot better than the conferences after the dust settles if once great leagues like the Big 12 go away and what is left is a handful of large, loosely affiliated alliances that consist of member teams that don't play most of the other members year in and year out. I suppose the theory is that their traditional rivalries with Michigan, BC and USC could go away, leaving them with a bunch of Ball States each year?
Big Ten + ND and that's all
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I disagree with your thought regarding ND joining a conference in order to stay relevant. They seem to have the $, fans and history to not only remain relevant, but to be very strong going forward. I am certain no fan of Notre Dame, but it appears to me that it could come off looking a lot better than the conferences after the dust settles if once great leagues like the Big 12 go away and what is left is a handful of large, loosely affiliated alliances that consist of member teams that don't play most of the other members year in and year out. I suppose the theory is that their traditional rivalries with Michigan, BC and USC could go away, leaving them with a bunch of Ball States each year?
Not only Delaney and Fox, but Scott, Delaney and Fox, with Fox really pulling the strings.
While we all worry about our little college football teams and who they are going to play, the real fight is being waged by Rupert Murdoch's people. Whether you like him, his politics, etc., you have to be amazed by his ingenuity in developing media dominance. The really impressive part is that by the time his competetors realize what is going on, it is too late.
HaydensDad
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Couldn't the big 12 just stick with 10 teams and leave it alone (without Nebby and Misery)? They don't share profits anyway so what difference does it really make? They would be the Texas conference with some other schools in there just like they are now.
B10 will end up being 16-20 teams. Nebraska and Missouri are in, Rutgers is most likely in. Syracuse, Maryland, ND, all are decent bets as additional teams. Too many people are looking at this as an athletics based selection when in reality it is about tv markets and research dollars. B10 wants "research 1" universities and AAU members....
This is what makes you think there is a little BS in the "we are going to have to do this if Nebby and Missou leave," talk.
If they really had entered into discussions about a joint Pac Ten / Big 12 TV network, then 2 Ten team divisions makes perfect sense. In fact, considering that you would have way more major TV markets than any other conference it really seems a no brainer.
Fox would own a huge portion of the college football market and be getting subscription prices for those broadcasts along with advertising dollars.
So, why not? Well, because you can have the same territory, while cutting the amount of teams with which you would have to share the profits.
Hawk123456
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It has to go to 16, because the logo would be so awesome.
See how the I and the G are a lot like a 1 and a 6? New logo: The B16 TEN.
I just had this revelation last night--sorry if somebody already posted something like this.
Palpatine, you should see a intellectual property attorney immediately and discuss if you can trademark that design. Or, do some research and apply for a trademark yourself. Then, when the Big Ten comes and buys that design from you for $500,000 feel free to send me 5% or so to thank me.
MNHawkeyeFreak
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It has to go to 16, because the logo would be so awesome.
See how the I and the G are a lot like a 1 and a 6? New logo: The B16 TEN.
I just had this revelation last night--sorry if somebody already posted something like this.
I like this too. What's really sad is I only noticed yesterday the "11" in the middle of the logo...guess my powers of observation aren't what I've thought!
Hawk123456
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I'm not sure I'd admit that in public.
MNHawkeyeFreak
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I thought about that AFTER I posted. I am chalking it up to the fact that I put on some new readers yesterday...maybe they're two's.
BIG 10 two divisions
Western
Notre Dame, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota,Wisconsin Iowa, Nebraska & Missouri
Eastern
Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers( or Syracuse) and Maryland (or Boston College).
As far as athletics/TV sets go, ND and Rutgers/Syracuse bring in NY , Maryland brings in DC/Baltimore and BC would bring in New England and all remaining catholic boosters that hate ND.
All new schools bring in large research $'s, & some additional large TV markets. This would be the perfect league and would then require all other BCS Conferences to try to keep up with it.
In my opinion, this is close to whats going to eventually happen.
Athletically, football rolls out like this: Play all division teams each year. Rotate two opposite division teams on a home & away basis. Change teams every two years until all opposite division teams have been played and then start over again. Plays everyone in other division twice in eight years (championship game withstanding).
Basketball. 18 game schedule remains. Play all division teams twice each year, and 4 teams from opposite division once per year (two @ home and two away, alternating the following year). Every four years you've played all teams in other division twice (big ten tournament withstanding).
In the east, you keep Michigan/Ohio State and Ohio State/ Penn State in football and in basketball Indiana/Purdue every year.
In the west , teams lose a few rivalry's, but only a few. You gain instant rivalry's in the west to make up for lack of Iowa/Penn St in football. Iowa/Nebraska and keep Nebrakska/Missouri as well as adding ND against everyone.
Great balance of power in both major sports. After this comes Pac 16(big 12 powers and pac10), SEC raids ACC for football only ties and all remnants of the big 12/ACC/big east form another 16 team conference. Top 64 teams create exactly what most pundits want . A playoff. This all to my chagrin. I like the old Bowl set up from the eighties. But thats history.
Western
Notre Dame, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota,Wisconsin Iowa, Nebraska & Missouri
Eastern
Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers( or Syracuse) and Maryland (or Boston College).
As far as athletics/TV sets go, ND and Rutgers/Syracuse bring in NY , Maryland brings in DC/Baltimore and BC would bring in New England and all remaining catholic boosters that hate ND.
All new schools bring in large research $'s, & some additional large TV markets. This would be the perfect league and would then require all other BCS Conferences to try to keep up with it.
In my opinion, this is close to whats going to eventually happen.
Athletically, football rolls out like this: Play all division teams each year. Rotate two opposite division teams on a home & away basis. Change teams every two years until all opposite division teams have been played and then start over again. Plays everyone in other division twice in eight years (championship game withstanding).
Basketball. 18 game schedule remains. Play all division teams twice each year, and 4 teams from opposite division once per year (two @ home and two away, alternating the following year). Every four years you've played all teams in other division twice (big ten tournament withstanding).
In the east, you keep Michigan/Ohio State and Ohio State/ Penn State in football and in basketball Indiana/Purdue every year.
In the west , teams lose a few rivalry's, but only a few. You gain instant rivalry's in the west to make up for lack of Iowa/Penn St in football. Iowa/Nebraska and keep Nebrakska/Missouri as well as adding ND against everyone.
Great balance of power in both major sports. After this comes Pac 16(big 12 powers and pac10), SEC raids ACC for football only ties and all remnants of the big 12/ACC/big east form another 16 team conference. Top 64 teams create exactly what most pundits want . A playoff. This all to my chagrin. I like the old Bowl set up from the eighties. But thats history.
silvanthalas
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I just can't see the Big 12 throwing Missouri and Nebraska out with this ultimatum. That alone would be enough to ruin the Big 12, with or without help from the Pac-10 trying to take half a dozen teams away.
Bushwacker
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I say screw the Domers. Add Neb, Mizzou, and 1 or 3 schools out of the east and forbid any teams in the league from playing them. Ticks me off how they continue to be treated like their teams are relevant anymore.
I'd be 100% OK with Notre Dame only. Nebraska would be greatly welcomed, but I don't want Missou--I know they represent the KC/St. Louis markets, but how much of those markets would they actually bring? I'd rather take Nebraska plus someone like Rutgers, Maryland, or Georgia Tech and be done. I would be all for a Notre Dame boycott if they pass on a Big 10 invitation.
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SDK46
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And they have since 1990...then again, the landscape has changed and ND isn't the mystique-name it once was.
And I remember clearly when ESPN launched....the three major networks scoffed at it (no way you can only show sports 24/7/365) as they did CNN, Fox and cable TV in general (who in their right mind would pay for TV?)
My point-->I'm not sure the big-3 TV networks have always clearly grasped the future in broadcasting...NBC's ND-TV renewal until 2015 tells me they are hitching their wagon to a fading star. (NBC employees are probably driving GM products too)
rdubbs
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Tweet from this morning
HawkeyeNation
I know it seems like changing minds daily. Bcz I am. Not sure about ND but if I had gun to head, I'd wager Nebraska will b invited this week
LOL. I would stick to your radio job and not worry about "predicting"
Add 5...
West: Iowa, Wisconsin, Illannoy, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Missouri, Notre Dame
East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, Rutgers, ???
7 in division games...1 game vs. the team who finished in the same division position as you the previous year (odd years west is home, even years east is home). 4 out of conference games.
I'm sure there are reasons that would not work, but a start.
West: Iowa, Wisconsin, Illannoy, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Missouri, Notre Dame
East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, Rutgers, ???
7 in division games...1 game vs. the team who finished in the same division position as you the previous year (odd years west is home, even years east is home). 4 out of conference games.
I'm sure there are reasons that would not work, but a start.
PJHawk
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Jon I just listened to your second hour from today's show and Deace nailed it. I was of the same opinion that the BT could add ND and stop but Deace makes one pretty damn compelling argument why that is not a good enough on the long term strategy of Big Ten viability. Steve’s argument that you cannot let all your rival conferences consolidate their resources - population, recruiting, demographics, booster fund raising etc. (which the Big Ten is already losing the battle) and simply add ND to counter that.
It got a little heated and you hung in there for awhile but I think you have to admit you conceded the argument to Deace when your final response was “that’s for those future people to worry about, I’ll be dead then, I just wanna watch Iowa and ND play nowâ€.
If the Big 10 was going to 16 this is who and how I would like it to be set up.
Will it happen who knows but think if the Big 10 is going to go to 16 those are the most logical choices.
