Big 12 setting up exploratory committee. You will laugh at the targets
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Deloss Dodds and the ND president have been "talking" about conference alignment...whatever that means...and a closer affiliation between Texas and ND. But I think that's likely more of a sideshow than a real likelihood.
The real targets from what I've read...are likely to be BYU and Air Force...plus a 3rd team as yet undetermined. But as said above, 99% of the journalists reporting on this, like us here, are just speculating.
I think ND is unlikely to go Big 12...but there are a lot of reasons why they might be a serious candidate. Their own TV network, not full revenue sharing...and they are getting a close affiliation with Texas in a number of sports. All that said, I don't see this happening...perhaps a 10% chance at best (wild guess, admittedly)...but it IS conceivable.
The real targets from what I've read...are likely to be BYU and Air Force...plus a 3rd team as yet undetermined. But as said above, 99% of the journalists reporting on this, like us here, are just speculating.
I think ND is unlikely to go Big 12...but there are a lot of reasons why they might be a serious candidate. Their own TV network, not full revenue sharing...and they are getting a close affiliation with Texas in a number of sports. All that said, I don't see this happening...perhaps a 10% chance at best (wild guess, admittedly)...but it IS conceivable.
IowaBanker
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I'm sure Notre Dame can't wait to make road trips every 2 years to Waco, Lubbock, Manhattan, and Ames.
One HUGE reason UT will stay with the Big XII, easy path to a BCS Bowl game, which in turn equals even MORE money.
The conversations ND and Texas have been having about future realignment are about the possibility of ND and Texas starting a new conference should the Big 12 die, as revealed by DeLoss Dodds recent comments at a luncheon speech.
There is zero chance ND would join the Big 12, but would it consider starting a new, small conference with Texas as cofounder? They have floated the idea at least...
Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: Per Chip Brown - Dodds says UT & ND could form new conf.
Cyclones17
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Notre Dame is unlikely to go to any conference in the near future, but if they were it would be the Big 12 not the Big 10. I don't know why Iowa fans don't understand that. It's not a secret.
ColumbusHawk
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The faculty at Notre Dame (ND) was almost unanimously in favor of the school joining the Big Ten. While ND is an excellent academic, it is not Duke, Northwestern or Vanderbilt.Believe it or not, the faculty was in favor of joining the Big Ten for academic reasons. By joining the Big Ten in athletics, ND anticipated receiving an invitation to the prestigious Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC). The CIC is the conference's academic counterpart. It comprises thirteen world-class research institutions including the University of Chicago. Except for Nebraska, every CIC member is also a member of the Association of American Universities (AAU). Nebraska was removed after joining the Big Ten. Nebraska's Chancellor stated that had the school not been a member of the AAU, the Big Ten would likely not have invited the Huskers to join the conference in athletics.ND is not a member of the AAU. Private AAU institutions that play Division I football include; Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Southern Cal, Tulane & Vanderbilt. All of these schools are considerd to be academically superior to the Irish.By joining the Big Ten, ND would have received a huge boost in academics. ND would have benefited from the CIC's collaborative efforts in purchasing, course sharing, professional development programs, library resources, information technology, faculty & staff networking, etc.However, the student were almost universally opposed to joining the Big Ten & most of the alumni & boosters were in favor of ND remaining an independent.
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sandhawk20
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Well of course... the Big 12 and the dregs of the league are so scared of not having a league that they are willing to rollover for a big name and give them everything they want.
Why would ND come to the Big 10 and be treated like an equal, when they could sit next to Texas on the throne?
hawkfan340
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Cyclones17
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Exactly.
And let's be honest, ND is already treated like Kings in the CFB world. Them joining the conference wouldn't change a thing. Just put a better product on the field and insure more $$$ for the Big 12
83Hawk
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Oh brother.
It is posts like this that make me glad I have my degree from Iowa and not Iowa State.
Cyclones17
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Use common sense. If Notre Dame joined the Big 10 would they still get all the perks they get now? No. Would they if they joined the Big 12? Yes. Which one would they rather join?
You don't seem to understand what "perks" are to Notre Dame. Their schedule in 2010 was:
Purdue
Michigan
@Michigan State
Stanford
@Boston College
Pitt
Western Michigan
Navy (in New Meadowlands)
Tulsa
Utah
Army (in Yankee Stadium)
@USC
Joining the Big 12 would decimate any semblance of the traditional ND schedule. In one swoop Notre Dame would relegate itself to a regional team, and worse, a regional team in the region least interested in ND football.
And this to keep its own rights for 2 home non-con games?
Cyclones17
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You don't seem to understand what "perks" are to Notre Dame. Their schedule in 2010 was:
Purdue
Michigan
@Michigan State
Stanford
@Boston College
Pitt
Western Michigan
Navy (in New Meadowlands)
Tulsa
Utah
Army (in Yankee Stadium)
@USC
Joining the Big 12 would decimate any semblance of the traditional ND schedule. In one swoop Notre Dame would relegate itself to a regional team, and worse, a regional team in the region least interested in ND football.
And this to keep its own rights for 2 home non-con games?
Traditional schedule is the only thing holding it back. No question. Personally, I would love for Notre Dame to stay independent. That's how it's been and I like tradition. I also liked the Big 8 more than the Big 12 and was sad to see Colorado and Nebraska go.
But as you can see, college football is changing and the traditional way of doing things is being taken over by $$$$$$$$$$$.
The one that will last longer than a fart in the wind.
If money is your argument, than why would ND go to the B12? Again, they would make double their money in the B10 and probably triple their money in a few years when the tv contracts are up for renewals.
But again, ND does not care about money, they have more money than they know what to do with (endowment, not TV money). They care about tradition and they have a history with every B10 team. ND wants to play all the B10 teams the play currently ever year and USC. They would not be able to do that if they joined the b12.
Yes, but its a very small step from co-founding something new...to re-building something old (the Big 12) in that new image. As for the chances of ND joining the Big 12, they are admittedly small...but probably triple the likelihood of them ever joining the Big Ten. If they do join a conference, it will almost certainly be the Big 12...where they can have their own TV network. That said, I'd guess they'll stay Independent for a while yet.
You don't seem to understand what "perks" are to Notre Dame. Their schedule in 2010 was:
Purdue
Michigan
@Michigan State
Stanford
@Boston College
Pitt
Western Michigan
Navy (in New Meadowlands)
Tulsa
Utah
Army (in Yankee Stadium)
@USC
Joining the Big 12 would decimate any semblance of the traditional ND schedule. In one swoop Notre Dame would relegate itself to a regional team, and worse, a regional team in the region least interested in ND football.
And this to keep its own rights for 2 home non-con games?
Entirely wrong.
In a new Big 12 with a 7 game conference schedule and Air Force in the conference...ND could still play Michigan, Michigan State, Pitt, Stanford and a rotation of Purdue-Navy-Army....while playing the other Academy every year. So ND's rivalries will be intact. PLUS they get their own TV network....in other words, they get every benefit of Independence plus they can add Oklahoma and Texas to their schedule every year. AND...they would be the lead team in the NOrth...with a likely conference championship game most seasons.
Its all upside for ND...and most likely terrific payout when you include a Texas style ND network deal.
Well, the major difference is that if ND and Texas form a new conference, it definitely won't have Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State or Iowa State in it. That's why its nothing like joining the Big 12.
