Big 12 Death Clock Ticking....

Cyclones17 said:
Sorry but just because you wish for something to happen, like Jon is, doesn't mean it will actually happen.
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Sorry but your Clonedar is not working today.

I don't wish for the B12 to blowup. You mistake my fascination with this topic with hoping it happens.
 
PPierce said:
Oh Jon, keep your fingers crossed, I know they already are.

First off, with the exponential explosion of college football popularity over the last decade, I find it hard to believe that any one network is going to want to use a single team as their football coverage like NBC with Notre Dame.

For arguments sake, let's say NBC drops Notre Dame and picks up an independent Texas for their football coverage. Not only would this undermine the deal Texas has with ESPN/ABC (which is not a good thing to do, think NBA and CBS in the late 70's early 80's) it puts Texas in an incredibly tough position. If Texas were to be in this position and have a season like they had last year, it errodes away at the product they are trying to sell for future negotiations. It puts an extreme amount of pressure on the football program to continually be at the top of the college football world with the fallout from mediocrity being the financial destruction of the athletic program as a whole.

This line of thinking doesn't even bring in the idea of a possible loss of a casual fanbase that is angered by the idea of blowing up an entire conference out of personal greed, increased financial costs of traveling for all sports, and being able to fill out and maintain a schedule that would not only keep your team in a position to succeed (because they would have to) but keep the television executives happy with big time games would be near impossible.

Is it really worth risking your entire athletic department and overall financial health of your institution for an increase of $15 - $25 million a year (without subtracting the increased costs)?

The B12 agreement was to allow schools to do this exact thing, at this point Texas is getting their own network plus the stability and added revenue + AQ status that a conference brings. They are receiving their pie and eating the whole damn thing. All member schools are allowed to do this, not just Texas.

I know you are all B10 fans and believe in the communistic approach to paying the schools (very Un-American of you all by the way) but do you honestly think that will last forever? How long until Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State get tired of adding more value while the rest of the conference reap in the rewards? How long until Nebraska changes their mind on how they would like to be paid when this current situation isn't as beneficial as they feel it should be (we all saw that they have a bit of a history of changing their mind when things change away from their favor)?
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Did you even read what Jon wrote, big,big $$ in grant money will keep the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Nebraska happy. Also, no other Big 12 team would demand their "OWN" TV deal. How funny would it be if Iowa St. came out with their own TV network, ha-ha!!!!!
 
JonDMiller said:
BTN pretty much gonna trump everything in the Big Ten. SEC and B10 have revenue sharing. B12 was a fractured revenue share entity from the start, which was a part of the problem
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Mark this down as a first ladies and gentlemen... this the one and only time where having a little Socialism and spreading the wealth is a good thing.
 
JonDMiller said:
BTN pretty much gonna trump everything in the Big Ten. SEC and B10 have revenue sharing. B12 was a fractured revenue share entity from the start, which was a part of the problem
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How much does the BTN contribute to each school per year?

I know that the BTN is not national network per say, for example Time Warner the largest cable provider in California does not offer it. Assume
that cable providers do not offer it in other states.

In addition the dynamic is changing, Comcast buying NBC probably will mean that NBC will be showing more than just Notre Dame games in the future. An NBC all sports network will be in the works. They will need product to put on that network, be it by conference or by school.

Don't underestimate big time programs with huge athletic budgets wanting more. A Florida may say they are happy about their situation today, but who's to say they will feel the same way 3 years from now.

This Texas thing has the potential to really make waves coast to coast.

Also in terms of schedule, if Texas goes undefeated in the Big 12 they will always play for a national title, unless you have a situation where 3 BCS teams go undefeated. Which I think has happened 1 time. Also since they have gotten rid of the title game there is 1 less pothole in the road.
 
BLKNGOLD48 said:
Did you even read what Jon wrote, big,big $$ in grant money will keep the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Nebraska happy. Also, no other Big 12 team would demand their "OWN" TV deal. How funny would it be if Iowa St. came out with their own TV network, ha-ha!!!!!
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So what you are saying is that Texas is capable of greed but Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State aren't? That seems logically flawed on many levels.

Oklahoma and Texas A&M have been in talks, but of course Texas is going to be the one to get it. Texas is the biggest collegiate athletics program in the country, bar none. If Iowa State were to have their "own" network I'd assume it would be a regional network in conjunction with the remaining Big 6 schools - Mizzou/Kansas/Kansas St. Which is something that has also been spit balled around.
 
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fsanford said:
How much does the BTN contribute to each school per year?

I know that the BTN is not national network per say, for example Time Warner the largest cable provider in California does not offer it. Assume
that cable providers do not offer it in other states..
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Big 10 Network is a national network. Most cable providers & Dish Network outside of the Big 10 footprint has the Big 10 Network on an ala carte digital sports package.

fsanford said:
In addition the dynamic is changing, Comcast buying NBC probably will mean that NBC will be showing more than just Notre Dame games in the future. An NBC all sports network will be in the works. They will need product to put on that network, be it by conference or by school.
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Comcast already owns VERSUS that televises a few Pac-12 & MWC games. In previous years, FSN sub-licensed a few Big 12 games to VERSUS, however, the conference was unhappy with VERSUS' coverage and the Big 12 requested FSN opt-out of having Big 12 games sub-licensed to VERSUS.

Most likely with the Comcast-NBC merger, I could see VERSUS being rebranded as a national feed of Comcast SportsNet or some sort of NBC branded sports channel.

fsanford said:
Don't underestimate big time programs with huge athletic budgets wanting more. A Florida may say they are happy about their situation today, but who's to say they will feel the same way 3 years from now.
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I highly doubt it, the SEC is making hand over foot with their TV deals.
 
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Cyclones17 said:
YES

And now I will add. Why would Texas leave the Big 12? They are in a well respected athletic conference where they are now given a ridiculous TV contract through ESPN. They can have their cake and eat it to....so to speak.
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In what circles is the Big 12 well respected?
 
PPierce said:
So what you are saying is that Texas is capable of greed but Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State aren't? That seems logically flawed on many levels.

I don't have the time to do it right now, but I would find it hard to believe that those teams aren't making more than Texas is after this deal. Would they make more if they did their own deal at which time they would have to go independent, I'm not sure. Cause you can bet, the Big Ten would not let a member have their "OWN" deal.
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OSU/Michigan/etc. might make more money for their athletic departments if they went independent. But as already mentioned, they'd lose research grants. The Big Ten is one of the top academic conferences in the nation. There's a reason for that: the universities take pride in their academics. They won't take a hit there just for more money in athletics.
 
BLKNGOLD48 said:
PPierce said:
So what you are saying is that Texas is capable of greed but Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State aren't? That seems logically flawed on many levels.

I don't have the time to do it right now, but I would find it hard to believe that those teams aren't making more than Texas is after this deal. Would they make more if they did their own deal at which time they would have to go independent, I'm not sure. Cause you can bet, the Big Ten would not let a member have their "OWN" deal.
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Texas has had the highest revenue and budget of any school for at least three years running now and the gap continues to increase, which will be even more in the upcoming years with this new television deal.

Ohio State comes in at #2, but if I remember correctly the latest figures showed them nearly $15 - $20 million behind, those numbers may be incorrect, but all in the same, it's a ton of cash.
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JonDMiller said:
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2011/01/19/Texas-ESPN.aspx

Texas is setting itself up to go Independent. When they can get $300 million to televise Texas sporting events and propaganda ($15mil/yr) that might include one football game, it's over.

Some will say that this helps the Big 12...that Texas can have the best of both worlds.

Well, what happens when the Big 12 football schedule lets Texas down in the computer rankings? What if that happens? Not far fetched. Oklahoma is the only other perennial power in that league. Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, Missouri, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech have flashed at times, but not consistent. A&M has some drawing power too, and I can see Texas bringing them along.

The minute the Big 12 doesn't 'do something' for Texas, it's over...these next five years will tell that tale. I think many, myself included, felt the B12 was at the beginning of the end after it was 'saved' this past June.

IMO, this sort of a texas tv network is the death knell for that league...and if the 'Forgotten Five' thinks its a 'good thing' that Texas has this new revenue stream, they are kidding themselves.

As an Independent, Texas can control who it plays and when it plays them. They can play A&M, Baylor, Rice & Tech to satisfy Texas politicians. Notre Dame & BYU are independents and need dance partners. There is six games. TCU is another Texas school that could play the Lonhorns in the OOC as it will need to bolster its Big East computer rankings...Boise will need the same thing. Then schedule home and homes with two or three teams a year...Ohio State, USC, etc...

The road map is getting drawn up..bet on it.
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Wouldn't this number be nine?
 
Jon had it right in that the CIC (Committee on Institutional Cooperation) helps to facilitate collaboration between the Big Ten schools and the University of Chicago to the tune of over 7 billion dollars a year in research funds at the partner schools.

Also, remember it is the Council of Presidents/Chancellors that have all the power in the Big Ten. I really don't see any University President jeopardizing their academic/research worth for their athletic worth since this number is over 4 - 10 times greater!
 
Texas football already gets most everyone they want out of Texas. Most of their players come from the state. There is a limit on scholarships, so there is only so far they can go. I guess they can build another indoor facility...but they are already at an elite level. 5-7 should never happen there now. never.

This will really strengthen their non-revenue sports and help them rival Stanford in the meaningless Directors Cup.

It will really help them with regards to avoiding brain drain...they will be able to pay their coaches a lot more than their peers...where becoming a position coach or a coordinator at Texas might look more attractive than being a head coach anywhere but at a BCS conference school.
 
Cyclones17 said:
So I was in denial this summer when I said that the Big 12 wouldn't implode (and it didn't) and now I am in denial again? Interesting........

Sorry but just because you wish for something to happen, like Jon is, doesn't mean it will actually happen.

Right now the only thing the Big 10 can hang their hats on is their Big 10 network and revunue sharing. Which, don't get me wrong, is really impressive. They really can't hang their hats on their athletics right now as they have been getting b slapped the past 10 years in football and even basketball at times. So Jon likes to laugh at the chance for others to suffer, b/c he is tired of his beloved conference getting made fun of by others. It's pretty easy to see
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Seriously man....De-Ni-Al. Just because the Big 12 "didn't implode" this summer, (which it kind of did, it just hasn't finished imploding) doesn't mean it isn't going to soon. Nebraska and Colorado got the ball rolling...the Big 12 wasn't going to die overnight, or over the course of 1 year....but it is dying a slow death. Gonna be hilarious watching ISUck relegated to the MAC conference or the likes of....have fun while it lasts. Big rivalry games with Northern Illinois and Western Michigan await you.
 
JonDMiller said:
Sorry but your Clonedar is not working today.

I don't wish for the B12 to blowup. You mistake my fascination with this topic with hoping it happens.
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My Clonedar isn't even turned on today. ;)

I would not make the mistake of reading someones opinion and knowing how they truly feel. Instead, I know that you wish the Big 12 would blow up by how you acted on the morning show with Deace before you guys stepped aside. You giggled at the thought of it. You loved it. You were all but guaranteeing that the Big 12 was finished.
 
I still haven't seen a single post from Cyclown fans how this is going to help them, or any other Big 12 team for that matter? Instead you brag how the Big 12 is still intact.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
In what circles is the Big 12 well respected?
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Read what you bolded. I know THH has trouble reading but come on man. The Big 12 is well respected "athletically" like I said. As far as being run as a business, they are kind of a joke. But athletically they have been very well respected since they became a conference.
 
PPierce said:
The circles that realize that the B12 has been consistently outperforming the B10 for nearly a decade now. Feel free to check up on the RPI ratings, national championships, bowl wins, etc.
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My bad, I thought this thread was about the Big 12 as a well run, stable business entity. My mistake.
 
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