Big 12 Best Conference in the Country?

BryceC said:
Most people thought ISU and KSU, while the 4th/5th best teams in the league would be bubble teams at best. All the offseason talk of UT was if Barnes would be fired. All of the teams have been in the top 25 at times and all will easily be in the tourney barring a meltdown.

The only team that is an outlier between both conferences is TCU. They are awful. However when national pundits look at the conferences they don't attempt to descern the merits of TT vs. PSU. They are both just teams good enough to jump up and beat somebody but just not that good either.

I think the reason that the Big 12 gets some benefit of the doubt from national guys like Rothstein and Goodman is that the league is a round robin, and they are looking at 6 of 10 teams getting in, and the Big 10 looks like 6 of 12. Possibly 5 each but I think both will get six as I think Minny will do enough to get in, and WVU or OSU will still do enough to get in.

Lunardi's latest bracketology has the Big 12 with the following seeds: 2, 3, 6, 6, 8, 9
They have the Big 10 at : 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 11

Really not a whole lot of separation there especially considering the Big 12 only has 10 teams.
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Big12, and BIG are about a push. The Big12 big advantage, is that Baylor was thought to be a top 20 team, and Okie st. a team to contend for a top seed and conference championship. So the perception is they are very deep. As it turns out, neither will even be a tourney teams.

I haven't looked at Lunardi's stuff, but I only see 5 making it from the Big12 (Kansas, KState, ISU, Texas, and OU). Okie st. will lose several and won't make it, same with Baylor, and WVU already has 10 losses, and will have another 3 or 4 with their schedule.
 
BryceC said:
Most people thought ISU and KSU, while the 4th/5th best teams in the league would be bubble teams at best. All the offseason talk of UT was if Barnes would be fired. All of the teams have been in the top 25 at times and all will easily be in the tourney barring a meltdown.

The only team that is an outlier between both conferences is TCU. They are awful. However when national pundits look at the conferences they don't attempt to descern the merits of TT vs. PSU. They are both just teams good enough to jump up and beat somebody but just not that good either.

I think the reason that the Big 12 gets some benefit of the doubt from national guys like Rothstein and Goodman is that the league is a round robin, and they are looking at 6 of 10 teams getting in, and the Big 10 looks like 6 of 12. Possibly 5 each but I think both will get six as I think Minny will do enough to get in, and WVU or OSU will still do enough to get in.

Lunardi's latest bracketology has the Big 12 with the following seeds: 2, 3, 6, 6, 8, 9
They have the Big 10 at : 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 11

Really not a whole lot of separation there especially considering the Big 12 only has 10 teams.
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I actually agree with most of this, but I wonder if WVU will do enough, and OSU is a train wreck. They will have to do something in the Big 12 tournament to get in. They very well may lose 4 or 5 more games in conference which would give them 12 to 13 losses. They are 4-7 in the conference. There is NO WAY they get in with a 7-11 conference record.
 
WVU is firmly entrenched in the NIT. They aren't making the NCAA tourney barring a conference tournament championship.
 
Its hard to argue that the B1G is better than the Big 12 using actual facts. We'll have to see what happens in March..
 
Does it matter who is better or not...BIG needs to win a NC to shut everyone up anyway; should have last year, but wasn't meant to be.
 
 
The big 12 is better because middle of the pack teams like KSU are good enough to beat the top teams like Kansas. How could anyone say the big 10 is better when the top teams like Michigan keep losing to middle of the pack teams like Indiana?

Clown logic.
 
DJL said:
Do you mean bottom of the Big 10 is much better than most people thought it would be? I can't imagine you meant TCU and TT. They are horrible.
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No I meant the bottom of the B12 excluding TCU. Texas Tech isn't that bad. And the B12 was expected to be pretty weak outside the top three teams but it hasn't played out that way at all.
 
volhawk50 said:
Can we drop that joke ACC challenge and start a B1G/XII challenge?
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Why not do both?

Or, all the conferences agree to some sort of rotation with the challenges so everyone can play everyone and everyone can argue about everyone...enough everyone's there, maybe?
 
Conferences are left off to provide an unbiased analysis. Conference on the right appears to be statistically better in nearly all categories..



RPI Rankings (Season Averages)
Conf RPI Rank3.73.2Chart It
Avg Team RPI Rank74.970.1Chart It
Median Team RPI Rank58.250.8Chart It
Hi Team RPI Rank5.87.5Chart It
Low Team RPI Rank202.9185.7Chart It
Non-Conference Games
Non-Conf Winning Pct0.7220.722See below
Non-Conf Opponent SOS Rank12.43.8Chart It
Non-Conf Opponent RPI Rank4.83.1Chart It
Conference Games
Blowout Games Per Season *18.014.2Chart It
Close Games Per Season *29.128.1Chart It
Overtime Games Per Season6.35.1Chart It
NCAA Tournament
NCAA Tourney Teams91180Chart It
NCAA Tourney Winning Pct0.5870.599Chart It
Sweet Sixteen Teams3370Chart It
Final Four Teams721Chart It
NCAA Tourney Champions14Chart It
NBA Draft
Total Draft Picks78212Chart It
Draft Picks Per Season4.36.2
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Conferences are left off to provide an unbiased analysis. Conference on the right appears to be statistically better in nearly all categories..



RPI Rankings (Season Averages)
Conf RPI Rank3.73.2Chart It
Avg Team RPI Rank74.970.1Chart It
Median Team RPI Rank58.250.8Chart It
Hi Team RPI Rank5.87.5Chart It
Low Team RPI Rank202.9185.7Chart It
Non-Conference Games
Non-Conf Winning Pct0.7220.722See below
Non-Conf Opponent SOS Rank12.43.8Chart It
Non-Conf Opponent RPI Rank4.83.1Chart It
Conference Games
Blowout Games Per Season *18.014.2Chart It
Close Games Per Season *29.128.1Chart It
Overtime Games Per Season6.35.1Chart It
NCAA Tournament
NCAA Tourney Teams91180Chart It
NCAA Tourney Winning Pct0.5870.599Chart It
Sweet Sixteen Teams3370Chart It
Final Four Teams721Chart It
NCAA Tourney Champions14Chart It
NBA Draft
Total Draft Picks78212Chart It
Draft Picks Per Season4.36.2
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It is the B12 on the right, that is pretty easy without looking...especially when you get to the NBA Draft, no-brainer.
 
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