Big 10 = 5-3. Big 12 = 3-4. Pac 12 = 2-5.

Also, the Pac 12 can't be 2-5. I didn't count it up, but they have to be closer to 7-0. I'm basing this on the fact that the genius himself, Sir Charles Barkley said that they're the best conference and, outside of Kansas, California is the best team in the nation. Can't be 2-5...unless Chuck doesn't know his *** from a hole in the ground.
 
eeeh, these records could get skewed Oklahoma and Kansas could go on deep runs. As for the B1G Indiana takes on Kentucky which means the hope of the B1G falls on Maryland shoulders. B1G could lose the rest of their games from here on out and it doesn't change the fact that everyone in the conference was under seeded.
 
trj said:
eeeh, these records could get skewed Oklahoma and Kansas could go on deep runs. As for the B1G Indiana takes on Kentucky which means the hope of the B1G falls on Maryland shoulders. B1G could lose the rest of their games from here on out and it doesn't change the fact that everyone in the conference was under seeded.
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Doesn't matter. Big 10 was supposed to be down this year. Big 12 was supposed to be the best. Regardless of what Kansas or Oklahoma does, the league has already under performed. (Like always)
 
The pac 12 is a huge pile of **** conference and once again the big 12 is overrated. Although iowa state has basically been gifted a sweet 16 thanks to purdue....which is unfortunate
 
trj said:
eeeh, these records could get skewed Oklahoma and Kansas could go on deep runs. As for the B1G Indiana takes on Kentucky which means the hope of the B1G falls on Maryland shoulders. B1G could lose the rest of their games from here on out and it doesn't change the fact that everyone in the conference was under seeded.
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With the exception of Michigan and I think Pitt, all the P5 conferences pretty much got the higher seed to start out. Don't think you can have it both ways, if a 1 and done is reflective of conference strength, then you cannot claim things are skewed if Kansas and Oklahoma go far, because those 2 teams had very legit seeds. Was MSU overseeded, don't think so, losses happen.

Also if people think seeding is bad, it would stand to reason the lower seeded teams are not properly seeded either, so just because a team plays a 12, does not mean they were a 12, maybe they should have been a 15. MTSU a 15 seed? Hawaii a 13? probably closer to a 10.


Personally I am with Bilas, a 1 and done tournament does not reflect the strength of a conference. If the NBA played a 1 and done, would be curious how many NBA teams would have been required to take down their championship banners.
 
I think that the tournament is all about match ups, and the Big 12 got very favorable match ups. I can understand Texas Tech, an 8 seed, losing to a nine seed. But when your 3, 5, and 6 also lose, that tells me that the conference as as whole is overrated.
 
WindsorHawk said:
This isn't the NBA. But I think 7 teams from a conference is comparable to a 7 game series. This discussion isn't about 1 team or 1 game. It's about several teams and several games. So from a "conference" perspective it isn't 1 and done.
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If it was head up like the B1G/ACC challenge, I agree. But this isn't that.

Prime example: The B1G won the B1G/ACC challenge this year. That was a head up situation. Those are matched up games. Good teams vs good teams, middling vs middling, etc. The B1G proved it. But in tournament play, the ACC looks far superior to the B1G. So which one is the the better indicator?

Miami is already in to the Sweet 16
Duke, UNC, ND, Virgina, Syracuse all play low seeds to get to the Sweet 16. In fact the highest seeded ACC opponent is a 9.

As for the B1G, Maryland has a great shot to advance. Outside of that, any b1G win will be an upset because 2 of the top 3 teams from the conference **** the bed in their first game and the other top team plays against an NBA training program that is masked by a university.
 
trj said:
eeeh, these records could get skewed Oklahoma and Kansas could go on deep runs. As for the B1G Indiana takes on Kentucky which means the hope of the B1G falls on Maryland shoulders. B1G could lose the rest of their games from here on out and it doesn't change the fact that everyone in the conference was under seeded.
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Come again. Conference champs advance.
 
WindsorHawk said:
Come again. Conference champs advance.
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This shouldn't have happened. Their RPI said so.

Would the powers to be please scrap this piece of **** index? Indiana was undervalued by the RPI all year. Indiana came in at 22nd in the RPI today. The highest they have been ALL YEAR is #19.

But hey, what about that awesome Pac 12 conference as represented by mighty Utah. Hilarious. They were sitting at #9 in the RPI this morning. They reached a high of #4 this year.

I guess it gives the idiots on the selection committee some cover??
 
I think that the B1G only has one or maybe two wins against the Big 12 this season. I would argue that both the B1G and the Big 12 have laid an egg so far compared to their potential. It was nice to see Indiana beat Kentucky. A lot of these tourney games are coming down to crazy last second shots. It shouldn't be the only way to judge an entire season.
 
Crimson said:
I think that the B1G only has one or maybe two wins against the Big 12 this season. I would argue that both the B1G and the Big 12 have laid an egg so far compared to their potential. It was nice to see Indiana beat Kentucky. A lot of these tourney games are coming down to crazy last second shots. It shouldn't be the only way to judge an entire season.
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The best win in this entire tourney for the Big 12 is KU over UCONN. UCONN did not win the the regular season title of the AAC, Temple did and they had to play their way in through the conference tourney title. That's the best freaking win in this league in 2 rounds of play!

Meanwhile the B1G which was ranked the fourth or fifth best conference has played Kentucky, Notre Dame, PITT... and will play Villanova & Xavier all in the first 2 rounds.

What an absolute joke! Kentucky would beat any Big 12 team on a nuetral court.
 
How would you guys suggest teams be seeded? Fact is big 12 had best non-conference record against the power 5. Iowa didn't help losing to ND and ISU. Sounds like people here want to base seeding on last years tournament. Which is just stupid. Sick of this same old argument year after year. Fact is, Bowl games and one-and-done tournaments aren't a good reflection of an entire season.

We we hear the flip side in Football about the Big Ten every year.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
The best win in this entire tourney for the Big 12 is KU over UCONN. UCONN did not win the the regular season title of the AAC, Temple did and they had to play their way in through the conference tourney title. That's the best freaking win in this league in 2 rounds of play!

Meanwhile the B1G which was ranked the fourth or fifth best conference has played Kentucky, Notre Dame, PITT... and will play Villanova & Xavier all in the first 2 rounds.

What an absolute joke! Kentucky would beat any Big 12 team on a nuetral court.
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Clown fans scream that the NCAA doesn't matter each and every year, because the Big12 sucks ballz each and every year in the NCAA. They constantly struggle in the non con play, and in the NCAA's. Here are the tough Non con games for the Big12. Outside of the 3 teams remaining from the Big12, the other 4 sucked azz vs the non con. Here is how those four stacked up (Texas, WVU, Baylor, and Tech)

Losses to P6 teams: Virginia, Florida, Washington, Michigan, UCONN, Oregon, Texas A&M (Baylor), Texas A&M (Texas), Utah, Arkansas,

Wins over NCAA P6 teams: Vanderbilt (Texas), Vanderbilt (Baylor), UNC
 
wuppup said:
How would you guys suggest teams be seeded? Fact is big 12 had best non-conference record against the power 5. Iowa didn't help losing to ND and ISU. Sounds like people here want to base seeding on last years tournament. Which is just stupid. Sick of this same old argument year after year. Fact is, Bowl games and one-and-done tournaments aren't a good reflection of an entire season.

We we hear the flip side in Football about the Big Ten every year.
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First B1G football has a national title from the playoffs and secondly the B1G football plays almost exclusively power 5 teams in it's bowl agreements unlike some of the other power 5 conferences. No free lunches here.

Second I have a little less problem with the seeding awarded to the Big 12 but more issues with the weakness of the match ups through 2 rounds. ISU v Purdue had they not been upset would have been the best matchup to date. Oklahoma's West region was setup from the start to aid there advance with no B1G, ACC or SEC teams in their path. Why? Because they cannot handle the consistent competition. Last year they were knocked out by the B1G. This year no such conference teams anywhere near there path. Coincidence that the OK AD was the head of the committee? You want to be seen as the best at least earn it is the point. The ACC is clearly showing how good they are. I also have no issues with Kansas because they have proven it over the years... not through gifts.
 
The NCAA tournament matters more than anything for program prestige. Anybody saying anything else is wrong, but every fan base does it. Iowa fans were claiming bowl season doesn't mean everything when the big 10 was getting beaten there either.
 
BryceC said:
The NCAA tournament matters more than anything for program prestige. Anybody saying anything else is wrong, but every fan base does it. Iowa fans were claiming bowl season doesn't mean everything when the big 10 was getting beaten there either.
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Agree but we actually play someone during the bowl season including the SEC 3 times minimum each year. How about posting the bowl opponents for the Big 12? Post your win-loss record agsinst the SEC in bowl games too.

Same with the bball tourney... The B1G actually plays someone with a pulse. We lose some and win some. Case in point Kentucky. A B1G team knocked out them 2 years in a row. Arguably the most talented team in the nation year in year out. How did the Big 12 do against Kentucky in recent years? The B1G knocked out Oklahoma last year.... this year no such teams in the West. Funny how that works with the OK AD chairing the committee.
 
BryceC said:
The NCAA tournament matters more than anything for program prestige. Anybody saying anything else is wrong, but every fan base does it. Iowa fans were claiming bowl season doesn't mean everything when the big 10 was getting beaten there either.
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Easy to take that stance now that ISU has taken advantage of an golden opportunity to get to the sweet 16.......If you were that cat after the UAB loss then my bad.
 
deanvogs said:
Clown fans scream that the NCAA doesn't matter each and every year, because the Big12 sucks ballz each and every year in the NCAA. They constantly struggle in the non con play, and in the NCAA's. Here are the tough Non con games for the Big12. Outside of the 3 teams remaining from the Big12, the other 4 sucked azz vs the non con. Here is how those four stacked up (Texas, WVU, Baylor, and Tech)

Losses to P6 teams: Virginia, Florida, Washington, Michigan, UCONN, Oregon, Texas A&M (Baylor), Texas A&M (Texas), Utah, Arkansas,

Wins over NCAA P6 teams: Vanderbilt (Texas), Vanderbilt (Baylor), UNC
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What are you talking about the Big 12 had a great non conference season that's why we've had to hear this crap about how good they are all season long. Their conference RPI and KenPom are off the charts
 
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