Beatherd caused one or two timeouts

[KansasHawkeye]

Jon is right that clock management did not improve, but this is a KF hallmark. Plays continue to come in slow and this puts pressure on the QB. CJ just saw it early and called a TO. You can't argue results and CJ produced.

 

[racerhawk]

The one thing that seems apparent to me after watching both QBs this year is that Rudock is a little better QB during dead-ball situations and Beathard is a little better QB during live-ball situations. I can definitely understand the appeal of Rudock for this reason, but I think I have seen enough that I prefer the high-risk/high-reward option of Beathard.

(In some ways, this reminds me a little bit of situatidn that the 49ers went through when the transitioned from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick.)

I tend to agree, but I'm not sure where the "high risk" part comes in with CJ? He had his one TD called back versus Ball State, and scored just about every other time he lead the offense. So far, so good, IMHO.

Iowa was dead in the water when he came into the game. Down 10 on their own 5 yard line. He came into a high pressure situation on the road and... won the game.

 

[biasedHAWKEYE]

Last timeout wasn't on him...entire team was urging the coaching staff to get the damned call in from the sideline.

 

[ICHawk24]

I'm not ripping CJB, I'm pointing out what I believe to be one of Kirk's criticisms is. As someone astutely pointed out upthread, Rudock is a little better in dead ball situations and CJB is better in live ball situations. Hopefully Kirk is reaching the conclusion that CJB is overall better than Rudock. But there are definitely things about Rudock that he does better than CJB.

 

[smbhawk1]

KF is just mad he did not get the opportunity to call them at the wrong time.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

And this is where are at, IMO. CJ is goin to miss some little things. Not sure entirely if that last timeout was on him or a formation. But where CJ might take you a step or two back in areas, he takes you five steps forward. JR might be two forward and one back...more forward with CJ, IMO, given the offense Greg wants to run.

I think JR would be a good QB in KOK system...but not in the horizontal passing offense.

Good to see you've come around Jon, I tried to tell you this a couple of weeks ago.

 

[lightning1]

I'd rather have a QB call a TO than run a bad play into the teeth of a defense.

 

[ICHawk24]

I'd rather have a QB call a TO than run a bad play into the teeth of a defense.

False dichotomy.

 

[lightning1]

False dichotomy.

It's an opinion. My opinion. Not sure how it can be considered a "false dichotomy". Nice try and nice use of the dictionary. Big words usually scare.

 

[528646]

Rudock'so stats when he left:

5/10
80 yds
1 td 1 int
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

CJB

7/8
98 yds
0 td 0 int

What that doesn't show though is the run game coming alive in the 2nd half under cjb.

 

[tm3308]

CJ more than countered any time out situation, you feel was his fault, with his backpedaling, under pressure, 3rd down laser to Hamilton, off his back foot and right before getting nailed, for a first down to save a drive. Yeah, CJ has it.

That was the play that sealed it for me. He showed nice cool under some serious pressure and put way more zip on a flat-footed throw than Jake could ever hope to. That play, IMO, was the most critical one of the game.

I liked a lot of what Jake showed in the first half. He showed he's capable of making some deep throws and was still strong in all the areas we know he's good in. But Beathard was better. This isn't a Christensen/Stanzi scenario at this point, IMO. If this is the style of offense we're going to run going forward (with more shots downfield), and Jake is dinged up, then this is more like King taking Lomax's spot last year. He's good, but the guy who filled in during an injury simply played better.

 

[hwk23]

That was the play that sealed it for me. He showed nice cool under some serious pressure and put way more zip on a flat-footed throw than Jake could ever hope to. That play, IMO, was the most critical one of the game.

I liked a lot of what Jake showed in the first half. He showed he's capable of making some deep throws and was still strong in all the areas we know he's good in. But Beathard was better. This isn't a Christensen/Stanzi scenario at this point, IMO. If this is the style of offense we're going to run going forward (with more shots downfield), and Jake is dinged up, then this is more like King taking Lomax's spot last year. He's good, but the guy who filled in during an injury simply played better.

I agree, NFL caliber throw and he made it look easy.

 

[Seth53]

One of the reasons Kirk prefers Rudock.

Hopefully Kirk values Bertherd over Rudock after this week.

We shall see.

Great. Save a couple of TO's with JR and lose the game.

OK.

 

[ThunderHawk]

CJ more than countered any time out situation, you feel was his fault, with his backpedaling, under pressure, 3rd down laser to Hamilton, off his back foot and right before getting nailed, for a first down to save a drive. Yeah, CJ has it.

'Twas a statement pass. Prolly my favorite play of the game.

 

[ICHawk24]

http://thegazette.com/subject/sports/quickest-slants-the-personal-foul-20140923#btXlMzMLRLDI3EYC.99

Timeouts were gone with more than 7 minutes left . . . If there was a problem with C.J. Beathard’s performance, it was timeouts. That shouldn’t be an “if.” Iowa called its final timeout of the game with 7:42 left in the game. So, it was sort of “all in” on the TD drive in which Iowa took the 24-20 lead. They lived to tell about it. This time.

The first timeout came on a third-and-9 play with 1:16 left in the third quarter. Iowa wanted to set up two plays. The first was a called handoff to RB Damon Bullock. If he gaind 5 yards, Iowa was going to go for it on fourth down. He was stopped for no gain and the field goal unit ran onto the field.

Totally understand this timeout.

Iowa called another timeout with 8:19 left in the game to set up a fourth-and-1 play that RB Mark Weisman converted. This timeout makes sense.

The one that didn’t, and seemed to rankle the Iowa sideline, was the one Beathard called with 7:42 left. Weisman had just converted a fourth-and-1 to set up a first-and-goal from Pitt’s 1. Then, the timeout.

That was a long way to go without the safety net of a timeout. There was trouble getting the play called. It was an expensive timeout, but it also avoided a first-and-goal from the 6. Iowa was great in short yardage vs. Pitt, but that would’ve been pushing it.

“When you have a new quarterback, we’ve better get that cleaned up,” Ferentz said. “We didn’t have any options there at the end. That’s . . . I get it, I’m not happy about it, but I get it.”

 

[Sparky]

http://thegazette.com/subject/sports/quickest-slants-the-personal-foul-20140923#btXlMzMLRLDI3EYC.99

Timeouts were gone with more than 7 minutes left . . . If there was a problem with C.J. Beathard’s performance, it was timeouts. That shouldn’t be an “if.†Iowa called its final timeout of the game with 7:42 left in the game. So, it was sort of “all in†on the TD drive in which Iowa took the 24-20 lead. They lived to tell about it. This time.

The first timeout came on a third-and-9 play with 1:16 left in the third quarter. Iowa wanted to set up two plays. The first was a called handoff to RB Damon Bullock. If he gaind 5 yards, Iowa was going to go for it on fourth down. He was stopped for no gain and the field goal unit ran onto the field.

Totally understand this timeout.

Iowa called another timeout with 8:19 left in the game to set up a fourth-and-1 play that RB Mark Weisman converted. This timeout makes sense.

The one that didn’t, and seemed to rankle the Iowa sideline, was the one Beathard called with 7:42 left. Weisman had just converted a fourth-and-1 to set up a first-and-goal from Pitt’s 1. Then, the timeout.

That was a long way to go without the safety net of a timeout. There was trouble getting the play called. It was an expensive timeout, but it also avoided a first-and-goal from the 6. Iowa was great in short yardage vs. Pitt, but that would’ve been pushing it.

“When you have a new quarterback, we’ve better get that cleaned up,†Ferentz said. “We didn’t have any options there at the end. That’s . . . I get it, I’m not happy about it, but I get it.â€

Using timeouts isn't that bad when the result is points on the board. Get the points early and you don't have to worry about clock management at the end. Someone needs to tell Kirk that so he stops trying to manage the clock.

 

[HobbieHawk]

http://thegazette.com/subject/sports/quickest-slants-the-personal-foul-20140923#btXlMzMLRLDI3EYC.99

Timeouts were gone with more than 7 minutes left . . . If there was a problem with C.J. Beathard’s performance, it was timeouts. That shouldn’t be an “if.†Iowa called its final timeout of the game with 7:42 left in the game. So, it was sort of “all in†on the TD drive in which Iowa took the 24-20 lead. They lived to tell about it. This time.

The first timeout came on a third-and-9 play with 1:16 left in the third quarter. Iowa wanted to set up two plays. The first was a called handoff to RB Damon Bullock. If he gaind 5 yards, Iowa was going to go for it on fourth down. He was stopped for no gain and the field goal unit ran onto the field.

Totally understand this timeout.

Iowa called another timeout with 8:19 left in the game to set up a fourth-and-1 play that RB Mark Weisman converted. This timeout makes sense.

The one that didn’t, and seemed to rankle the Iowa sideline, was the one Beathard called with 7:42 left. Weisman had just converted a fourth-and-1 to set up a first-and-goal from Pitt’s 1. Then, the timeout.

That was a long way to go without the safety net of a timeout. There was trouble getting the play called. It was an expensive timeout, but it also avoided a first-and-goal from the 6. Iowa was great in short yardage vs. Pitt, but that would’ve been pushing it.

“When you have a new quarterback, we’ve better get that cleaned up,†Ferentz said. “We didn’t have any options there at the end. That’s . . . I get it, I’m not happy about it, but I get it.â€

Using timeouts isn't that bad when the result is points on the board. Get the points early and you don't have to worry about clock management at the end. Someone needs to tell Kirk that so he stops trying to manage the clock.

No kidding. Something at which he gets worse and worse at doing over the years is clock management

Of Course it would help if he didn't try to run out the clock with a 10 point lead and 50 minutes left to play.

 

[DJL]

The one thing that seems apparent to me after watching both QBs this year is that Rudock is a little better QB during dead-ball situations and Beathard is a little better QB during live-ball situations. I can definitely understand the appeal of Rudock for this reason, but I think I have seen enough that I prefer the high-risk/high-reward option of Beathard.

(In some ways, this reminds me a little bit of situation that the 49ers went through when the transitioned from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick.)

This is probably true, BUT, early in the game Jake made a check at the LOS, and I told my wife, it's run to the short side of the field. She was amazed that I was right. I have not coached football at a level higher than 10 years old, so I am no football genius. I knew that his check at the LOS was going to be a run to the short side of the field because that's what we've done all year long. Iowa State knew it too, and cheated to that side. Pitt seemed to be aware also. Fast forward to later in the game, and CJB makes a check at the LOS, and it was NOT a run to the short side of the field, and the result of the play was a touchdown. Just one example, but I'm hoping it's a sign that CJ knows what he's doing pre-snap.

 

[NCHawker]

Good thing Iowa won. People would be howling about the wasted T/Os.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

One of the reasons Kirk prefers Rudock.

Hopefully Kirk values Bertherd over Rudock after this week.

We shall see.

Beathard didn't "cause" those timeouts. As we have seen for quite a while, communication from sideline to huddle is as great a contributor to that as anything.