Baylor...

[HawkeyeWalker]

Not sure what part is strange. Ken Starr and the Bill Clinton connection is one. The other part is that gang rape, gang bangs, what ever you want to call it, has been a problem for a long time in a lot of places. At my university it was at frat parties and the band that I had personal awareness of (not as a participant). It always involved alcohol and I didn't drink nor did I think it was funny. U can easily see this thread digressing into Baylor = Bad and because we are Iowa that Iowa = Good. Plug in Goofers or whoever, it is a problem everywhere. Iowa has had several things come to light in the past and my recollection is that it could have been worse if publicized today. Athletes on about every college campus have had "privileges" for various activities.

Don't think so? Let your mind explore the incident between the obnoxious booster at the basketball game. Most mere mortals would minimally be asked to shut up, likely asked to leave or worse. Don't think people have privilege? I personally have some knowledge of some activities of players not that long ago and at least one booster in the football program.

Mostly these types of things are getting publicity. I personally know a lady who was a victim in one of the types of activities when I was in school. It was very sad and in no way reflects who she is today. She's happily married to a doctor. The emotional scars are pretty deep.

As long as you agree It's no more likely at Iowa than anywhere else.

Its a problem, likely always has been. It needs to be publicized.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Basically, from this thread your point has been Iowa fans shouldn't talk about Baylor's disgusting actions because it could happen at Iowa. Well, it didn't happen at Iowa, and frankly I can't see 52 sexual assaults happening at Iowa over a decade let alone a 4 year period. Most fans would not support the program if it was Iowa. It's disturbing how many Baylor fans are defending the program and Briles. Please stop trying to vilify Iowa for something they haven't done.

He's subtle.

Everyone should agree it's indefensible what happened at Baylor. I certainly wouldn't defend it.

 

[MoseSchrute]

I suspect, though I'm not pointing at anyone, that many people on here would be defending the coaches if we were coming off of a similar run/team as Baylor has.

As for a Christian university, in my experience as much good is there, I've seen some of the worst people out there that hide behind their religion and "pray away" all their mistakes. Sometimes, it feels like the churches have reinstate indulgences.

I really don't think too many here would be defending coaches if we had a similar situation. As to your second point, yes, I see it every day. Act like an ass all week then make an appearance at Church on Sunday and they're good to go.

 

[HawkGold]

Basically, from this thread your point has been Iowa fans shouldn't talk about Baylor's disgusting actions because it could happen at Iowa. Well, it didn't happen at Iowa, and frankly I can't see 52 sexual assaults happening at Iowa over a decade let alone a 4 year period. Most fans would not support the program if it was Iowa. It's disturbing how many Baylor fans are defending the program and Briles. Please stop trying to vilify Iowa for something they haven't done.

Dude, you really have reading problems. My point is that is should not be discussed in the context of we are Iowa and above that. I"m equally disturbed at the denial and have 2 friends who are graduates and are in denial. I disagree that most fans wouldn't support if it happened here.

So many jumped onto the "Pedo State" bandwagon without any real dialog. It was tacky in that it was really demeaning to victims. PSU was wrong and it was a crime against children. Too often discussion goes down in the gutter so that fans of a particular school can thump their chest.

I don't know when or if you went to college, but yes it could happen. In one year at my school, I was aware of about 5 times it happened in the marching band alone, that in one year. There were several frats of equal amounts.

I'm not dissing Iowa. Had the Pierce situation or the football situation (not counting something we'll never know with Coker), it would for sure be highly publicized.

 

[HawkGold]

As long as you agree It's no more likely at Iowa than anywhere else.

Its a problem, likely always has been. It needs to be publicized.

Yes, I agree. It is just as likely at any university that doesn't want to really address it. If you have a program where a donor can misbehave at a game like happened/happens at Iowa, it is a very real possibility that pressure and abuses can happen. I don't think Iowa is different than most. Maybe there are some that have stronger controls.

 

[Stanzi]

Dude, you really have reading problems. My point is that is should not be discussed in the context of we are Iowa and above that. I"m equally disturbed at the denial and have 2 friends who are graduates and are in denial. I disagree that most fans wouldn't support if it happened here.

So many jumped onto the "Pedo State" bandwagon without any real dialog. It was tacky in that it was really demeaning to victims. PSU was wrong and it was a crime against children. Too often discussion goes down in the gutter so that fans of a particular school can thump their chest.

I don't know when or if you went to college, but yes it could happen. In one year at my school, I was aware of about 5 times it happened in the marching band alone, that in one year. There were several frats of equal amounts.

I'm not dissing Iowa. Had the Pierce situation or the football situation (not counting something we'll never know with Coker), it would for sure be highly publicized.

I completed my undergraduate and graduate degrees at Iowa, and not once was I aware of something like that happening. That is with 6 years of living in Iowa City and going to the bars and house parties on countless occasions. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but damn right I'm going to say Iowa is above that. 52 sexual assault claims in just 4 years within ONE program is mind boggling. Not to mention the fact we know their administration tried their best to sweep it under the rug or encourage victims not to press charges. And I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about most fans not supporting it if it happened at Iowa.

We are talking about Baylor. I don't give a shit about some comparable hypothetical situation where it happens at Iowa since it hasn't, and I'm not terribly concerned with some supposed anecdotal stories of yours.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Yes, I agree. It is just as likely at any university that doesn't want to really address it. If you have a program where a donor can misbehave at a game like happened/happens at Iowa, it is a very real possibility that pressure and abuses can happen. I don't think Iowa is different than most. Maybe there are some that have stronger controls.

You seem really stuck on the big mouth donor thing. The subtle jabs.

 

[HuckFinn]

Read Stanzi's post. That pretty well sums it up. I like your stuff, generally, Gold, but you have an apparently long standing negative experience with the University that plays out in a lot of your posts. At times I have trouble getting by that and taking your criticism of the athletic programs seriously. Thank goodness I am completely free of bias...

 

[Mademyaccount4u]

Basically, from this thread your point has been Iowa fans shouldn't talk about Baylor's disgusting actions because it could happen at Iowa. Well, it didn't happen at Iowa, and frankly I can't see 52 sexual assaults happening at Iowa over a decade let alone a 4 year period. Most fans would not support the program if it was Iowa. It's disturbing how many Baylor fans are defending the program and Briles. Please stop trying to vilify Iowa for something they haven't done.

I didn't see anywhere that he said it's okay at Iowa or that it shouldn't be talked about. This stuff happens everywhere like it or not, though most of it isn't reported or as serious as the allegations at Baylor. Look at ANY OTHER SCHOOL with violations, people don't want to believe that their school could be a part of something like that. If you don't believe that any sort of sexual assault could happen at Iowa or could have happened, you're fooling yourself. That's not to say that Iowa is a pit of morbid immoral people. Just a diverse university with both good and ,likely a few, bad people.

If anything, what I see him saying is that don't just look at Baylor as a place where terrible things can happen, because it can happen at Iowa.

Not being able to "see it happening at Iowa" is how most people don't. Unfortunately it's likely there are that many that have happened at Iowa the last few years, as most aren't reported. Talk about it, keep your eyes open and report it ,because it could happen.

A perspective from a victim and some statistics part way though the article. Assuming the statistics are accurate 1 in 5 women are victims if about half of Iowa's 31,000 students are women then , let's say 15,000 for simplicity women that equals ~3,000 assaults which over the course of 4 years is about 750 a year. Even if those numbers are inflated even a quarter of that is more than 100 a year.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...all-can-prevent-a-texas-football-rape-scandal

 

[trj]

I would be concerned about sending your 18,19 yo old daughter away to any college/university. A big change in maturity happens after that age. Baylor probably would now be one of the safer places to go now.

I do agree if I had a college age daughter I would be extremely concerned sending her anywhere. As for Baylor being a safe place to go now.....I ask myself at what cost?

 

[HawkGold]

I do agree if I had a college age daughter I would be extremely concerned sending her anywhere. As for Baylor being a safe place to go now.....I ask myself at what cost?

$56626 per year. My kids by transferring from a jr college included that cost will be under that for an entire bachelors from a Big University.

 

[Chickenlounge]

Yes, I agree. It is just as likely at any university that doesn't want to really address it. If you have a program where a donor can misbehave at a game like happened/happens at Iowa, it is a very real possibility that pressure and abuses can happen. I don't think Iowa is different than most. Maybe there are some that have stronger controls.

Not to get you off on a tangent, but what was this donor misbehaving about? Just curious, as I haven't heard anything about this.

 

[eledmonster]

Not sure how many of you have been to Waco before, but there is not a whole lot there to recommend. Iowa City has a better campus, better school, better stadium, better town. Plus, Baylor just lifted a ban on dancing in the last 20 years... BU? I say PU

 

[HawkGold]

Not to get you off on a tangent, but what was this donor misbehaving about? Just curious, as I haven't heard anything about this.

There was a thread awhile back about the fan with a lot of enthusiasm. The game announcers talked about him. If mere mortals had done that stuff....

 

[CP87]

Yes, sexual assault perpetrated by a member of an Iowa athletic team certainly could happen, and indeed has happened in the recent past. That is a far cry from systematic suppression of victim reporting and tolerating a culture that leads to over 50 assaults in a 4-year period. You seem to be implying that because KF was allowed to choose his son as his OC that the Iowa program lacks accountability and oversight, and a disaster of Baylor or Penn State proportions could be looming. I think this is an incredible overreach, and it ignores the fact that pretty much any Iowa player that has ever been connected in any way to a sexual assault investigation has never played another down at Iowa. I think the Everson/Satterfield incident was brought up earlier in this post; both players were suspended immediately, and both transferred without every playing at Iowa. And while the victim's mother accused the athletic department of a cover-up, a subsequent independent investigation found no evidence of a cover-up and blamed poor handling of the incident on non-athletic department officials and confusing University policies.

 

[Joshbrown]

Not sure how many of you have been to Waco before, but there is not a whole lot there to recommend. Iowa City has a better campus, better school, better stadium, better town. Plus, Baylor just lifted a ban on dancing in the last 20 years... BU? I say PU

Agree . . . but I can think of a very high profile person who you would expect to hear that from constantly, and yet has never said it.

 

[skinnykilmer17]

So a Christian University run by presumably a devout Christian the discredited (again) Ken Starr, allowed and enabled this to happen.

I say the Fuhrer should put a travel ban on the Baylor University campus at large. No one should be allowed to leave until we come up with a plan on how to properly vet everyone.

They are extremely dangerous to this country. Especially young women.

They are much more dangerous than my Sudanese friends.

 

[HawkGold]

So a Christian University run by presumably a devout Christian the discredited (again) Ken Starr, allowed and enabled this to happen.

I say the Fuhrer should put a travel ban on the Baylor University campus at large. No one should be allowed to leave until we come up with a plan on how to properly vet everyone.

They are extremely dangerous to this country. Especially young women.

They are much more dangerous than my Sudanese friends.

That would almost be funny if we weren't really living the Twilight Zone in so many ways.

 

[NCHawker]

Interesting how, once something is alleged we all assume it is true.

I'm not saying that its not true, I'm making an observation of people's reaction to the law suit.

Goes to show how easy it is to scandalize someone in this country if you really want to.

 

[HawkGold]

Interesting how, once something is alleged we all assume it is true.

I'm not saying that its not true, I'm making an observation of people's reaction to the law suit.

Goes to show how easy it is to scandalize someone in this country if you really want to.

There are so many things that have been covered up that it's difficult not to think that. Often there is a lot of gray. People are tired of the smoothing over of things. That is why why have a Trump in the WH. Most everyone sat back in disbelief about PSU and the actual story ended up being worse than the initial and those at the top still tried to cover it up.

Your premise is wrong. It isn't that easy to scandalize someone. With all the scrutiny it just won't go away. When one looks at rape occurrence studies on campus' and child abuse statistics, it's actually just the opposite. So much goes unnoticed. The reason it goes unnoticed is directly related to how easy it is to discredit.