lightning1
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Iowa State outscored their back up 20-10 in the 2nd half. They can kiss their play off chances good bye. They have Oklahoma, Okie St and TCU left on the schedule.
Baylor QB fractured neck bone today.
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PhoenixHawk
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Tough situation, you got to feel for the kids when this stuff happens - Ott, etc.
BigD
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I agree. Hate to see anyone get hurt.
franstheman
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It will be interesting to see how their backup QB does.
HawkeyeMike23
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Baylor looked very unimpressive today, they should drop in the polls. Both them and TCU are frauds.
Floridahawkeye1
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Sad. Wish him the best. That's football. Iowa knows all about it. Baylor will still compete.
FRANAMANIAC
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I think with their starting qb in that Baylor was bearing state like 35-7 and without it was 20-10 ISU. Obviously Baylors qb is a large part of their offense
HomerChampless
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Watched the hit on ESPN. It was a cheap shot, IMO. ISU's helmet hit the neck/head area. Saw an immediate reaction from the Baylor QB. Surprised the ISU player wasn't ejected for targeting. Probably reconfigure the targeting rule to include this situation. Especially since Baylor is ranked and lawsuits over concussions and other general physical damage are looming for football.
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HomerChampless
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nm. Dup post.
trj
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Seth Russell lowered his head trying to get a first down there was nothing the ISU defender could do. It was just an unfortunate accident.
trj
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Well we are going to find out if it is the system or the quarterback.
HomerChampless
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Yeah, let's look at this. You're saying if the Baylor QB hadn't lowered his head, the ISU defender wouldn't have led with his helmet on the tackle? Or are you saying if the Baylor QB hadn't lowered his head, the ISU defender wouldn't have led with his helmet contacting the Baylor QB in the head/neck area?
Under either scenario, the helmet is lowered. Yeah, the ISU player could've prevented his helmet from contacting the Baylor QB...if he hadn't led with his helmet (which usually is a penalty).
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HomerChampless
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This reminds me of the sack and fumble that was overturned in the Pitt game this season. CJ was hit under the chin and on the helmet by the Pitt sacker's helmet.
Maybe Baylor has as productive a QB to replace the injured player(I doubt it), but Iowa sure doesn't. This targeting rule needs to be revisited and reconfigured, IMO. I mean, there's the possibility of injures and the possibility of litigation. And it isn't part of the game any more.
Maybe Baylor has as productive a QB to replace the injured player(I doubt it), but Iowa sure doesn't. This targeting rule needs to be revisited and reconfigured, IMO. I mean, there's the possibility of injures and the possibility of litigation. And it isn't part of the game any more.
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trj
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Chicken or the egg, I guess. Helmets are going to collide sometimes that is part of football. Even if the defender could have made a split second decision and led with his shoulder Russell's neck is still eff'd up.
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What about the Baylor defense? Iowa State went over them in the second half and Baylor could do nothing to stop them. Dont think you can blame that on injury.
Both Baylor and TCU have substantial problems on the defensive side. Can you be a NC with a mediocre defense?
Both Baylor and TCU have substantial problems on the defensive side. Can you be a NC with a mediocre defense?
If Russel didn't lower his head he could have avoided the tackle all together. Both lowered about the same time and couldn't see each other. ISU player was lower and had better leverage because of that.
HawkeyeWalker
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In almost every case, it's the QB/player(s). Our system has changed very little, but the QB and RB talent has made all the difference. We are very likely 4-3 if JR is qb or if MW is rb (still loved the guy though). Oregon has the same system, but no Mariotta....Vince Young for Tx...etc, etc.
Baylor's system is good enough to still beat avg or worse teams, but without the guy who was 1st or 2nd in almost every scoring rank for QBs....they will not beat good/great teams.
HomerChampless
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You mean if the BU QB hadn't led with his helmet the ISU player wouldn't have led with his helmet?
IMO, an offensive player that leads with his helmet is as guilty of targeting as a defensive player that leads with his helmet. Not sure if players on offense get called for targeting. How about a double ejection in that situation where the BU QB got hurt?
At any rate, the player(s) led with their helmet(s) accidental or otherwise. It shouldn't matter under which circumstance it occurred.
You mean, for example, if a player pulled off another's helmet and started to punch him it would be OK if the one getting punched called the puncher some names first? No, that would be called baiting but still a penalty unless also called taunting where there would've been 2 penalties.
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tm3308
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You're misunderstanding the rule. A player can lead with his helmet, provided it's not directed at the neck/head of an opposing player. This is not an example of targeting, nor should it be. The targeting rule takes intent into account, and this was clearly not intentional.
