Baylor fires Art Briles
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guffus
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Watching programs like Florida St and Baylor cover for their players criminal activities has made me rethink how situations like the Marcus Coker rape allegations were handled at Iowa.
part of me still feels bad for Coker essentially getting kicked off the team. Especially since the girl decided not file any charges. But I have slowly conceded that maybe the University did the right thing. Iowa had already had some embarrassments earlier with rape charges and it needed to send a message that things had changed and they were not going to tolerate that behavior from its athletes anymore.
You can see at Baylor how things can get out of hand if that behavior is covered up or not taken seriously.
part of me still feels bad for Coker essentially getting kicked off the team. Especially since the girl decided not file any charges. But I have slowly conceded that maybe the University did the right thing. Iowa had already had some embarrassments earlier with rape charges and it needed to send a message that things had changed and they were not going to tolerate that behavior from its athletes anymore.
You can see at Baylor how things can get out of hand if that behavior is covered up or not taken seriously.
HawkeyesWin
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Another coverup of sexual assault at a major football program. I hope Baylor doesn't go the hero worship route of Briles like PSU did.
Perhaps the extremely weak response to PSU's situation encourages more coverups. Look for the NCAA to run and hide on this one too.
Perhaps the extremely weak response to PSU's situation encourages more coverups. Look for the NCAA to run and hide on this one too.
trj
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After the Pierre Pierce mess it set a precedent how these things would be handled moving forward. Only positive thing that came out of that ordeal.
Do a little diggin on the Baylor stuff and you will find it is pretty bad......and you will find it has been going on a long time.
SteveGarvey1
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Briles will have a de-facto red-shirt as a coach this year, then some university or NFL team will hire him. Guy's tone deaf about sexual assault issues but he can sure coach.
DP5555
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I don't know. It will be interesting to see what happens to him. My immediate reaction was "He'll get another job in a heartbeat", but the more I think about it the more I wonder. Look at what happened with Jim Tressel after the OSU scandal. That was mostly a case of improper benefits and he still fell quite a ways for awhile. That wasn't near as bad as covering up sexual assault. Normally I'd say Briles could land in the NFL, but sexual assault is a hot issue in the league right now as well so I'm guessing most teams will steer clear of the drama that would come with hiring him.
I'm not so sure he'll land on his feet as quickly as I initially thought. Covering up sexual assault is a big deal. If you are a University who is considering hiring him what do you tell all of your female students? Ehhh that was in the past! He's a better man now! I don't think it's that easy. A lot of people would be upset about any university bringing a guy in with a record like this. My guess is he disappears for a few years and then potentially returns as a candidate for a position with A+M or something down the road.
SteveGarvey1
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Good point and it might be more than a year after I read what you wrote. But it still wouldn't surprise me if he lands somewhere in a couple of years. Why, because we'll hear from some enabling institution that Americans believe in second chances.
And if you can play or coach they'll find a place for you somewhere. Adrian Peterson whipped his son until he had bruises and welts all over his body, yet the Vikings took him back because he was a superstar running back. Dallas took in Greg Hardy despite the fact he beat up his girlfriend, because he was a great defensive lineman. Ray Rice hasn't found a job but only because his skills had diminished.
So, yeah, he disappears for a couple of years, shows some remorse and gets a coaching gig somewhere, maybe as an offensive coordinator or maybe even a head coach.
AreWeThereYet
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The thing is, literally hundreds of football programs can refuse to hire him, but all it takes is one willing program and he's back in business.
HuckFinn
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He will not coach again, college or pro. Cover up of sexual assault is inexcusable and increasingly high profile in the athletic world. Too many athletes seem to think they are entitled to do as they wish, even against the wishes of the female involved. I would guess that the unwanted advances are also common among non athletes, so I am not just pointing fingers at one group or another. Given the current atmosphere on this topic, just imagine the headlines if this guy is hired by anyone to coach football. And, I hope we all have long memories when it comes to this disgusting behavior.
trj
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This. It only takes one desperate program.
That's just it we don't. If Tennessee has a great year(which is very likely) Butch Jones still has a job. We wouldn't care at all if Peyton Manning's name wasn't attach to it. And that happen because someone wanted to "make a point" on how poorly Cam Newton handled the post game Super Bowl press conference.
trj
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The coaching fraternity is pretty tight. I imagine the Texas high school football fraternity is super duper tight they look out for one another. I think someone can weather(whether?) the storm and hire him as an assistant, maybe some sort of an advisor. Tressel got a buck or 2 for advisory work.
docholihawk
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I'm guessing the NCAA goes the North Carolina route. By the way, what's the over/under on cyfans post about getting transfers from Baylor.
DodgerHawki
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Don't know that I completely agree, but I see your point. It's my opinion that if there is a suspicion, accusation of, hint at, etc. of sexual assault, the matter should be turned over to law enforcement authorities for investigation and prosecution if warranted. Not to university panels consisting of professors who have no experience in handling such matters. Certainly not to coaches or athletic departments. Law enforcement is the place where justice can be meted out (for both parties).
From Coker's point of view, you can see why he wouldn't apologize and grovel to the university. Something may or may not have happened, the matter was turned over to law enforcement and they determined that no crime occurred, or at least that there was not sufficient evidence to proceed. It's what they are paid to do. But yet he is still suspended from the team, for an undefined wrongdoing. This takes us down a road where just an accusation or a suggestion of wrongdoing is enough to drive a person out of a university. Note: I'm not asking for leniency on players. Exactly the opposite. If the law has been broken, turn the matter over to authorities and don't get in the way of, or hinder the investigation.
DP5555
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I agree that he'll get a job somewhere eventually. However, there's a big difference between being an advisor or a head coach at a lower level compared to a major D1 program. Tressel fell a long ways. Yes, he landed on his feet. At least when you compare him to the average joe. Anyone with that kind of knowledge and experience will land on his feet eventually including Briles. Some program will find a way to take advantage of their knowledge.
However, I don't think he'll ever be able to compete at the highest level again and I'm guessing personally that's a difficult pill to swallow. Especially when your name and your family's name will be forever remembered because of a scandal like this. To a guy like Briles that is the ultimate punishment, and frankly he deserves every bit of it. His torture/pain would be far worse if it were his daughter who had been assaulted by a giant football player who then received little to no punishment for his behavior. .
I'm not all up to speed on what Briles is actually being accused of here but it sure sounds pretty bad and it only makes me wonder how TNs coach isn't in a similar boat. Sounds like he had the local police on speed dial and had communication with them during an ongoing investigation into his kids. And then he did next to nothing when his players basically beat up another player who just ever so humanly helped the victim get to a hospital... I mean really what's this world coming to?
Briles I think is done... At his age and for how large of a black mark as this will leave I don't see anyone messing with him.. If he was 10-15 yrs younger with the same success he's had then quite possibly. I just think the combination of age and all this will have a lot to do with him not getting another shot. At least not at a D1 school.
Briles I think is done... At his age and for how large of a black mark as this will leave I don't see anyone messing with him.. If he was 10-15 yrs younger with the same success he's had then quite possibly. I just think the combination of age and all this will have a lot to do with him not getting another shot. At least not at a D1 school.
ibahawkeye
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I don't know any of the details of the Coker incident so maybe there was enough evidence to justify not allowing him back on the team. With that said, I believe Kirk fought to keep him on the team. If Kirk fought to keep him on the team and I believe Kirk to be the man of integrity that I think he is, I don't think he would have fought he knew there was evidence.
And In America, it's innocent until proven guilty. Coker should have been allowed back.
mrolympia
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like Iowa State. I can see them pulling something like this
