Back away from the edge Hawk fans!

[hoffahawk]

Year 3 of an offensive system-

102nd in scoring O
92nd in yards per game

Since 2012 ISU has held a grand total of 4 teams under 20 points- Kansas, Western Illinois and Iowa TWICE.


I think every Iowa fan that is near an edge has a right to be there.

 

[okeefe4prez]

The only new play that I saw them do was 28 thunder - toss sweep to shonn greene against wisconsin. everything else was SSDD.

O'Keefe also mixed in a couple of counters for Greene in 2008. I believe he took one of them to the house on a 40+ yard run. It was beautiful. Man, I was just thinking about some times O'Keefe mixed it up. In that Syracuse home game ('07 I believe) O'Keefe looked like he stole the old Green Bay Packers playbook and had a huge variety of RB screens where the big uglies got out there and it was such a change from the ol' bubble screen. I was so happy watching Young get the ball in space with some lead blockers. I don't think we saw another RB screen all year.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Year 3 of an offensive system-

102nd in scoring O
92nd in yards per game

Since 2012 ISU has held a grand total of 4 teams under 20 points- Kansas, Western Illinois and Iowa TWICE.


I think every Iowa fan that is near an edge has a right to be there.

Ugh. Just stop, brah. Please.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Exactly as predicted ... http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66342&p=1328625#post1328625

I find the lauding of the o.p. fascinating and pathetic all at once -- like it was some enlightening revelation. BirdsofPrey regurgitated the same drivel that the Pollys have been saying every Tuesday, after every crap-pile loss like this most recent one, for years. Thing is, these horrible performances are so frequent and occurring so close together, he could've saved the keystrokes and just let us catch the echo of the last little pep talk.

[Look at all the positives] ... uh, really?! The positives are obvious; THAT'S the point! You "superfans" are too busy collecting your participation certificates and choking on your myopia that you continuously fail to recognize how your Captain minimizes, mismanages and blatantly disregards those positives.

How about changing up your regular routine? Rather than brush off your knees and pull up your trousers after another Saturday double-team by KirkFer and Gergster, maybe actually take some pride in the team you purport to support?

That means expecting competent performance that is commensurate with capability. That means expecting that some of that potential that really does exist is actually realized and some of those positives that really do exist are actually utilized and maximized. That means that if the person in charge of all of those assets and qualities and resources continues to squander them, someone else should be given the privelege of managing them toward success. Or, you can simply carry on like you always do ... content with being an impotent participant who supports underachievement and cheers for mediocrity.

You all think because you're blindly supportive and point out the positives you're the "true fans". FACT is, you're awful fans who contribute to hurting the program and success of the team because you consistently accept and forgive bad performance ... time, after time, after time, after season, after season, after season.

 

[KCHawkeye]

Not until the offense shows me something different, by different I mean a ton of improvement.

JR may or not be the man, and CJ may or not be the answer. What I know beyond any doubt is that the Greg Davis offense isn't working, and yes, the talent is now here. KF is ultimately responsible, but this crappy hybrid off scheme is the cancer.

I am fine with conservative, even boring, power/play action offense. I am NOT OK with that brand mixed with predictable plays never going down field.

3 days later...still fuming

Enough.

THIS!

 

[theboat]

I have already jumped. I am now a GV Viking, through and through.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

There's really no good reason Iowa lost that game. Ferentz continues to make bad teams look great against the Hawks. I saw a stat yesterday that was very frustrating. It said ISU has held opponents to under 20 in the past 4 years 4 times. It was two MAC teams and Iowa twice. Like you said, they have talent. A lot of the frustration seems to be that even if the Hawks have players the coaches don't know how to use them or don't use them at all.

That is a sickening stat! Just sick! And I think more of a function of Kirk letting off the gas than what ISU has done defensively.

 

[CPHAWK82]

That is a sickening stat! Just sick! And I think more of a function of Kirk letting off the gas than what ISU has done defensively.

I felt sick when I read it. I did mess up the stat though. Hoffa actually stated the stat correctly. Since 2012 ISU has held teams to under 20...4 times. Kansas, Western Illinois, and Iowa twice. Another thing that made me sick over the weekend was Indiana State hanging 42 on Ball State.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

Exactly as predicted ... http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66342&p=1328625#post1328625

I find the lauding of the o.p. fascinating and pathetic all at once -- like it was some enlightening revelation. BirdsofPrey regurgitated the same drivel that the Pollys have been saying every Tuesday, after every crap-pile loss like this most recent one, for years. Thing is, these horrible performances are so frequent and occurring so close together, he could've saved the keystrokes and just let us catch the echo of the last little pep talk.

[Look at all the positives] ... uh, really?! The positives are obvious; THAT'S the point! You "superfans" are too busy collecting your participation certificates and choking on your myopia that you continuously fail to recognize how your Captain minimizes, mismanages and blatantly disregards those positives.

How about changing up your regular routine? Rather than brush off your knees and pull up your trousers after another Saturday double-team by KirkFer and Gergster, maybe actually take some pride in the team you purport to support?

That means expecting competent performance that is commensurate with capability. That means expecting that some of that potential that really does exist is actually realized and some of those positives that really do exist are actually utilized and maximized. That means that if the person in charge of all of those assets and qualities and resources continues to squander them, someone else should be given the privelege of managing them toward success. Or, you can simply carry on like you always do ... content with being an impotent participant who supports underachievement and cheers for mediocrity.

You all think because you're blindly supportive and point out the positives you're the "true fans". FACT is, you're awful fans who contribute to hurting the program and success of the team because you consistently accept and forgive bad performance ... time, after time, after time, after season, after season, after season.

Post of the year

 

[tweeterhawk]

I've watched every game Kirk Ferentz has coached at Iowa. It should be really obvious to Hawk fans by now that the football
program under Kirk relies on developing talent and remaining relatively injury free to achieve success. The Hawks don't simply reload the program with five star players and four star backups at every position. Every year, the Hawks have a few holes that need plugged. The Hawks have always started slowly in their opening few games. Pre-Big Ten play is conservative and inconsistent at best. Every year we seem to drop an early season game to ISU or some MAC team and barely survive a few others. It seems the goal is to develop talent, work on fundamentals, prevent injuries & not provide much worthwhile tape for Big Ten opponents to scout. What I'm saying is the Pre-Big Ten games under Kirk have never accurately predicted whether or not the Hawkeye go on to have a successful season. I know, dreams of a national championship killed already, but how realistic are those dreams. Given the Hawkeyes youth, saving those dreams for next year would seem more realistic.
We have talent, speed & depth at the receiver and tight end positions. The Hawks have multiple running back weapons. We have the playmakers on offense if they can get focused & figure out how to blend those skills into a working cohesive unit. The linebackers are improving. The D-line is solid & deep. We have two young talented cornerbacks and a hitman at safety. Punt coverage has been good. Kidd's punting improved dramatically in the Iowa State game. Koehn has a powerful turbo leg. He's drilling kickoffs into the endzone consistently. As he gains confidence, he could possibly become a field goal weapon as distance should not be a problem. Vandeberg looks like a potential star at punt returner. Canzeri is solid as a kick returner & J. Parker is fast if he can learn to hold onto the ball. The coaches will have their annual Pre-Big Ten meeting and make some decisions about personnel & Kirk will re-focus Davis on successful play calIing & Parker will start working the raider package. I think starting next week against Pitt, the Hawks all start showing up and playing a complete game. Sometimes young teams need a loss to gel as a team and buy in. I like Iowa's chances vs. Pitt. Pitt is almost one dimensionally a running team. Pitt has zero passing attack. Nobody is going to rush for 300-400 yards on the Hawks...bring it Pitt. Too many good solid parts
on this football team for them not to be successful.

This is just so beyond reality I wonder if it is legit. Join date last November; only 46 posts on this site. Should Jon wonder if this is a troll attempt?

 

[Jonrn]

I've watched every game Kirk Ferentz has coached at Iowa. It should be really obvious to Hawk fans by now that the football
program under Kirk relies on developing talent and remaining relatively injury free to achieve success. The Hawks don't simply reload the program with five star players and four star backups at every position. Every year, the Hawks have a few holes that need plugged. The Hawks have always started slowly in their opening few games. Pre-Big Ten play is conservative and inconsistent at best. Every year we seem to drop an early season game to ISU or some MAC team and barely survive a few others. It seems the goal is to develop talent, work on fundamentals, prevent injuries & not provide much worthwhile tape for Big Ten opponents to scout. What I'm saying is the Pre-Big Ten games under Kirk have never accurately predicted whether or not the Hawkeye go on to have a successful season. I know, dreams of a national championship killed already, but how realistic are those dreams. Given the Hawkeyes youth, saving those dreams for next year would seem more realistic.
We have talent, speed & depth at the receiver and tight end positions. The Hawks have multiple running back weapons. We have the playmakers on offense if they can get focused & figure out how to blend those skills into a working cohesive unit. The linebackers are improving. The D-line is solid & deep. We have two young talented cornerbacks and a hitman at safety. Punt coverage has been good. Kidd's punting improved dramatically in the Iowa State game. Koehn has a powerful turbo leg. He's drilling kickoffs into the endzone consistently. As he gains confidence, he could possibly become a field goal weapon as distance should not be a problem. Vandeberg looks like a potential star at punt returner. Canzeri is solid as a kick returner & J. Parker is fast if he can learn to hold onto the ball. The coaches will have their annual Pre-Big Ten meeting and make some decisions about personnel & Kirk will re-focus Davis on successful play calIing & Parker will start working the raider package. I think starting next week against Pitt, the Hawks all start showing up and playing a complete game. Sometimes young teams need a loss to gel as a team and buy in. I like Iowa's chances vs. Pitt. Pitt is almost one dimensionally a running team. Pitt has zero passing attack. Nobody is going to rush for 300-400 yards on the Hawks...bring it Pitt. Too many good solid parts
on this football team for them not to be successful.

I have to disagree strongly the Kurt's teams always improve...this is simply not a true statement.

 

[David79]

I do agree that some people need to back away from the ledge. It hasn't looked pretty so far but you never know how the season can play out. Anybody with realistic expectations could see this was a probably an 8 win team. They don't have the talent at the skill positions to be better than that and the losses on defense and Oline were a lot bigger than people seem to have thought. Let the season play out before freaking out.

 

[David79]

Another reason not to freak out. Despite what some fans think the recruits at the ISU game seem to have come away impressed. Karan Higdon is the kind of talent Iowa needs at RB and he was impressed with the visit.

 

[NCHawker]

Year 3 of an offensive system-

102nd in scoring O
92nd in yards per game

Since 2012 ISU has held a grand total of 4 teams under 20 points- Kansas, Western Illinois and Iowa TWICE.


I think every Iowa fan that is near an edge has a right to be there.

WOW. This almost says it all. This offense is a turd.

Since Ferentz does not care much about offense, I'm not sure that its quite enough evidence.

Maybe he needs to get his team shut out a few times.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Losing to an 0-2 clone team that we are favored to beat by 10+ is unacceptable and embarrassing. I have always supported kf but I won't pay another $200 again anytime soon to see Iowa state win on out own field. Done

 

[kicker22]

Losing to an 0-2 clone team that we are favored to beat by 10+ is unacceptable and embarrassing. I have always supported kf but I won't pay another $200 again anytime soon to see Iowa state win on out own field. Done

I think what's embarrassing is that enough money continues to be placed on Iowa that the spread gets in to double digits. Regardless of who we have played, I simply don't see this team as double digit favorite. As painful as it is to say it, based on our offense this year I think I'd take the opponent and the points.

 

[theboat]

Another reason not to freak out. Despite what some fans think the recruits at the ISU game seem to have come away impressed. Karan Higdon is the kind of talent Iowa needs at RB and he was impressed with the visit.

The list of recruits that love their visit to Iowa is super long. The list of recruits that actually commit isn't nearly as long.

Sure they probably enjoyed their visit, but when Iowa averages 12 points/ game from here on out and makes us fans long for the days of Jake Christensen, a visit in early Sept won't matter much.

 

[hawkforlife9]

Wait until Iowa shuts this dude down... that will get them back off the edge.

 

[tweeterhawk]

The list of recruits that love their visit to Iowa is super long. The list of recruits that actually commit isn't nearly as long.

Sure they probably enjoyed their visit, but when Iowa averages 12 points/ game from here on out and makes us fans long for the days of Jake Christensen, a visit in early Sept won't matter much.

This.

Please, David79, get a grip on the real world.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Would agree with the OP. This is nothing new for Iowa we have always played suspect in start of season, dreams of playing in the playoff is not realistic at all, anyone who thought we were going to be 10-0 going into UW game, has not watched much football, we are not even close too competing against Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma, and other top programs, who will play in the playoff.

With what we have we need to be realistic right now we are a 8-9 win max!! Read in a post on here that we have depth on the DL, but yet we only play 4 for 98% of the snaps. We just don't currently have the players to compete at an elite level, right now the Big Ten only has 2 teams capable of that.

This team will get better, and I am still seeing 5-3 or 6-2 in Big Ten, and another bowl, but dreams of playoff are not realistic right now.

Sag, I don't want to be argumentative, but that seems like a defeatist attitude. We aren't talking about competing with Alabama on an annual basis, but we have one of the easiest schedules around and we just lost to a team that lost to an FCS school. Rivalry game or not, that shouldn't have happened. And there is no law of the universe that says Iowa must start slow every September. Why does that HAVE TO BE? Many teams hit the ground running. That's how you build early momentum. This regime is stale. We have talent on the edges on offense to get deep but a qb that can't throw it deep, yet our coach won't allow the back up, who does have the arm to go deep, to play. That is a personnel decision that isn't working and it cost us a win, literally. Go look at the 3rd down play on our tying field goal drive. JR completely missed a wide open #87 that would have been a touchdown. Instead, he got happy feet, lost his rhythm on the play, then dumped off to Hillyer for an incomplete pass. This year is broken, so far. Don't get bad coaching decisions confused with being a developmental program. They aren't the same thing, but one can be used as an excuse for the other.