Assistant Coach Raises

[Fryowa]

Ok...having the last name Ferentz certainly didn't hurt him...i concur. What you guys gloss over is that he spent and performed for 3-4 years with the Patriots...a great learning experience I'm sure. He then spent 5 years under Greg Davis...5 years. I've heard several former Patriot coaches speak very, very highly of him and his understanding of offensive football. It's not like he didn't pay his dues. In one year, he had a TE lead the country in TDs and his QB almost broke the TD record as a first year starter. With the injuries on the OL...it's a good result. (Queue Sirius Excuse Mantra). Was it perfect and were their some poor games...sure.

The thing I would point to is that we started throwing the ball downfield and he figured out how to get Fant and Wadley the ball. That was successful. We also had wide open guys in games for the first time I can remember. That's game planning. He used formations to completely befuddle defenses. I'm extremely optimistic if we can protect Stanley that this offense is going to be a handful to stop.

I'll admit I was wrong if it doesn't materialize...I think he did a great job last year.

I don’t doubt that his colleagues liked him in New England. But almost no one rockets to the top of a major P5 program like that. The vast majority pay a lot more dues.

As far as success, I am wondering how much of the coordinator job O’K is doing. I can’t just see him strictly staying on the QB side of things and not using his experience to call plays.

 

[guffus]

I think it was understood by all that BF was going to need some help and that's why KF put 2 ex-OC on the staff. KOK making $575k a year is pretty much saying KOK is a co-OC. But because he is getting the money and is close to retirement, KOK does not need the title of co-OC

Now with that said, that is also an argument that at this point, maybe BF should not be getting paid much more than KOK, and much less than Phil Parker.

So if you start with the assumption that $725 for Parker is about right, and $575 for KOK is about right. I would then guess the right amount for BF would be around $600k. Just a little more than KOK but only about 82% of what Parker makes.

Instead BF is making 94% of what Parker makes, which just seems too high for BF level of experience and his accomplishments so far.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I know some are pretty down on the whole paying of these assistants the way they are but what's the alternative? What chance does Iowa have at competing both in the short term and down the road post KF if they are deemed to be considered cheap in that regard? Iowa has set a precedent that they value their assistants and fully embrace being a developmental program. It's a two way blessing for Iowa and Doyle to have been together this whole time. I know some have had their beefs with him and I'm sure if you are family to any of those kids that had Rhabado theirs no reshaping their opinions of him. That was thankfully an isolated deal and for it to have happened once in 20 yrs is too many times but at least they've seemed to have rectified their workouts and or how they monitor them to avoid that now.

I'm pretty sure KF values Doyle immensely. Who spends more time with the players? Doyle is just about year around with them all. The assistants are limited immensely with their time with the kids and they are all position specific or one side of the ball specific. KF and any HCs time is so spread thin that they spend the least amount of time hands on with the players. It's just the nature of it. So as far as I'm concerned Doyle is the most valuable assistant coach and it's not even close. For the past few years programs have been catching up to us but for quite awhile we were ahead of the curve in that regard and it really helped us keep up with the Jones's prior to us having that new football facility and just being who Iowa is. It's a necessity that Iowa stay on the cutting edge of the things they can control and since money is no object I'd say if they aren't willing to pay it then they aren't trying.. That to me would be way more of an intolerable thing than what they are doing...

 

[4thngoal]

Fryowa, Scott Frost doesn't have much P5 or above experience to be a hc at a P5. I have no problem with the "dues" part of it, because some people just have a gift for football and coaching, just like playing a freshman is sometimes the right thing to do.

I totally think we should be in the top 10% of schools when it comes to pay, but I have always been a big fan of incentives. Lower the base salary and say they get 10-12% more for 8 or 9 wins (or something like that, haven't really looked at the numbers). Because experience or not, you play a freshman, because they can play and win at a high level. Same with coaches.

 

[tksirius]

Fryowa, Scott Frost doesn't have much P5 or above experience to be a hc at a P5. I have no problem with the "dues" part of it, because some people just have a gift for football and coaching, just like playing a freshman is sometimes the right thing to do.

I totally think we should be in the top 10% of schools when it comes to pay, but I have always been a big fan of incentives. Lower the base salary and say they get 10-12% more for 8 or 9 wins (or something like that, haven't really looked at the numbers). Because experience or not, you play a freshman, because they can play and win at a high level. Same with coaches.

Scott Frost was a:

GA at Nebraska
GA at Kansas St
LB coach at UNI
DC at UNI
WR coach at Oregon
OC at Oregon
HC at UCF, taking them to a 13-0 season.

He's a hell of a lot more qualified to be a HC at a P5 school than Brian was to be an OC at a P5 school.

 

[4thngoal]

Scott Frost was a:

GA at Nebraska
GA at Kansas St
LB coach at UNI
DC at UNI
WR coach at Oregon
OC at Oregon
HC at UCF, taking them to a 13-0 season.

He's a hell of a lot more qualified to be a HC at a P5 school than Brian was to be an OC at a P5 school.

I get the putting the years in. But he has very little P5 experience.
I'll take coaching in the pros over coaching d2 ball for a few more years.
Also I'm not going to look, but I think he was co-dc at UNI.
Crap I'll be co-oc for the Hawks for little more than the OC's bonus!!!

 

[tksirius]

I get the putting the years in. But he has very little P5 experience.
I'll take coaching in the pros for 3 years over coaching d2 ball for a few more years.

Let me add some numbers in for you:

Scott Frost was a:

GA at Nebraska
GA at Kansas St
LB coach at UNI
DC at UNI (ranked 23rd in total defense)

Avg Total Offense ranking for the previous 5 years prior to Frost arriving at Oregon= 16.2

WR coach at Oregon (average ranking in total offense during his 4 years as WR coach= 10.75)
OC at Oregon (average ranking in total offense during his 3 years as OC= 3.3rd)
HC at UCF, taking them to a 13-0 season.

Also, during UCF's 13-0 season, they beat #22 South Florida, #16 Memphis, and #7 Auburn.

 

[4thngoal]

Let me add some numbers in for you:

Scott Frost was a:

GA at Nebraska
GA at Kansas St
LB coach at UNI
DC at UNI (ranked 23rd in total defense)

Avg Total Offense ranking for the previous 5 years prior to Frost arriving at Oregon= 16.2

WR coach at Oregon (average ranking in total offense during his 4 years as WR coach= 10.75)
OC at Oregon (average ranking in total offense during his 3 years as OC= 3.3rd)
HC at UCF, taking them to a 13-0 season.

Also, during UCF's 13-0 season, they beat #22 South Florida, #16 Memphis, and #7 Auburn.

Let me ask you some questions. Who was he co DC with? Who was he WR coach under? As OC how did the numbers trend before he left, up or down?

Iirc, he was co DC with the coach of NDSU, who is a power house in their conference. He was wr coach under a program Chip Kelly built. As OC (after Kelly left) the numbers started to slide). He took over a successful program that had quit on it's coach. Frost even said "I seen they had the talent to win". In the aac. Which isn't difficult to do, because they had been winning.

 

[tksirius]

Also:

I couldn't find OL rankings for 2012 (they surely were ranked rather awfully that year), but Iowa's avg OL ranking while Brian was OL coach ('13-'16) is= 54.75th. Nothing spectacular, just middle of the road. Probably not a good sign when his dad is well known for being a good OL coach.

And of course, we know that Iowa was ranked 116th in total offense for his first year as OC.

 

[tksirius]

Bottom line is that Scott Frost was obviously more qualified to be a HC at a P5 school than Brian was qualified to be a OC at a P5 school. It's really not debatable at all.

Brian became an OC because of his daddy.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Bottom line is that Scott Frost was obviously more qualified to be a HC at a P5 school than Brian was qualified to be a OC at a P5 school. It's really not debatable at all.

Brian became an OC because of his daddy.

Yeah, but in the same vein, Frost is a "favorite son" of Nebraska due to his ability to ball, so there is a nepotism argument there, too.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

I think Brian's experience prior to being named OC put him close to the fringe of being qualified to be an OC at a p-5 school but his last name got him through the door.

 

[4thngoal]

I don't agree on the being more qualified for their positions.
I agree that BF didn't do such a great job as ol coach. I mean yeah Daniels with his fat pro contract might disagree. But something was missing. Maybe a little recruiting?? IDK.
I partially agree that maybe he had special consideration because of his dad. But only if you admit that basically SF rode on some pretty big coat tales to get where he is as well.

 

[okeefe4prez]

I think Brian's experience prior to being named OC put him close to the fringe of being qualified to be an OC at a p-5 school but his last name got him through the door.

I disagree. His experience as a line coach at Iowa qualified him to be an OC at a MAC/Sunbelt/MWAC type of program. 2-3 successful years there would have qualified him to be a power 5 OC.

 

[tksirius]

I partially agree that maybe he had special consideration because of his dad.

Yeah, only partially. I'm sure it was just a minor factor.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

I disagree. His experience as a line coach at Iowa qualified him to be an OC at a MAC/Sunbelt/MWAC type of program. 2-3 successful years there would have qualified him to be a power 5 OC.

Well, Brian's experience gave Kirk enough wriggle room to create plausible deniability that he hired Brian because of nepotism.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Well, Brian's experience gave Kirk enough wriggle room to create plausible deniability that he hired Brian because of nepotism.

Well, if by plausible deniability you mean he took in the rankings of Iowa's offense in the GD years and said "Hey, look, Brian is clearly qualified to be the OC at UTEP and we have an offense on par with theirs so let's hire him" then yes, I agree.

 

[4thngoal]

Yeah, only partially. I'm sure it was just a minor factor.

We don't know. Maybe he was born to be a OC. Yeah he didn't prove it at a lower level. But like they said about Tristan "he was born to play football".
I'm not going to decide on one game or one season. I won't decide on Frost that way either.
What I do know is when we were clicking last year, we could have beat anyone. That is easily national championship type ball. When we weren't, it was pathetic.
How much of that was starting 10-12 freshman, a new wr coach a new ol coach and a new Oc?? I don't know. But we will find more out in a few months.

 

[tksirius]

We don't know. Maybe he was born to be a OC. Yeah he didn't prove it at a lower level. But like they said about Tristan "he was born to play football".
I'm not going to decide on one game or one season. I won't decide on Frost that way either.
What I do know is when we were clicking last year, we could have beat anyone. That is easily national championship type ball. When we weren't, it was pathetic.
How much of that was starting 10-12 freshman, a new wr coach a new ol coach and a new Oc?? I don't know. But we will find more out in a few months.

I'm sure when we beat UNI, you'll be praising Brian's abilities. Can't wait.

 

[4thngoal]

I'm sure when we beat UNI, you'll be praising Brian's abilities. Can't wait.

I called for a 10-2 and winning the west.
We beat Wisconsin and have impressive wins in ooc, I might start saying we are on to something.
I don't get impressed easily.