Apathy

It is absolutely my place, because I have been a lifelong Hawkeye fan too. My issue is not with questioning of the coaches or the gameplan or the play calls, etc. My issue is when a fan says that they are apathetic with the way we play, whether we win or lose, so much so that your team wins, and it is still not good enough because they didn't score enough points and were "freaking boring." My response to that is that it is what it is, and it has always been this way, as long as anyone on this board has been alive. Iowa football has an identity, and it was the same during Hayden's years as it is Kirk's (it definitely was boring before Hayden). That identity is to play great defense, be physical on both sides of the ball, be balanced on offense, play great special teams, protect the ball and out work our opponent, all while playing the game the right way, within the rules, and being respectful win or lose and of the game. That is not just Iowa football, that is Iowa. That is why that ethic, that mindset, is so entrenched with those who were born into it. But not every team has the same identity as there are a lot of ways to build a program. We have seen some build programs based off of talent at all cost, and they can win that way. For a while. SMU was fun to watch for a couple years, USC was fun to watch for a few years, and of course Nebraska wasnt fun to watch but they won games. Some teams dont value balance, they play no defense and want to out-score the opponent. Oklahoma State scores a lot of points, but gives up a lot too. So does Oklahoma, or Washington State. Some teams even cheat and have little respect for their opponent or the game as the only goal is to win. Miami in the 80's was pretty fun to watch too. But you know what, none of those reflect Iowa and what the state really is.

Right now we are not the most physical team against all of our competition. Right now our special teams is average, and right now we aren't very balanced because we can't run the ball effectively both because of a lack of a great back and weaknesses on the offensive line. Overall, if you look at our roster and grade our players into 3 categories; elite talent, average, and not FBS material, we have no elite talent on offense with a couple positions that would border on not FBS material and everyone else average. If you look at Wisconsin right now, a team that if you switched their jersey's to Iowa's that not one single person would have anything negative to say or would be apathetic, are basically Iowa without the weaknesses on offensive line and a generational elite talent at running back as well as a quarterback that can run. Thats it. They are the same type of team, same philosophy and identity. Guess how they got theirs? From us. That is the way it is right now, maybe this entire season. And we just lost to two teams that we were predicted to lose to, that on paper were much more talented that have far great resources than us, but we played hard to the end and didn't give up. I don't see how you can be apathetic about that.
Much of this is spot on. I think what irritates da haters more than anything else is when "The Iowa Way" spills into Iowa football. Because when you lose that way it's annoying. And everything that made this one of the greatest agricultural states in the country-stability, work ethic, humility, will look bad when there's no urgency to be accountable.

When Hayden came in with his high flying offense and exotic plays it was a breath of fresh air even when he had his down seasons-but only on the surface. Get past the pretty Hollywood or Texas Fryisms, and you will see those teams were also hard-nosed, physical, and hard working.

The Iowa Way that our forefathers and their forefathers built is eroding before our eyes, which is why so many young people are leaving this state, and why immigrants are working in our factories and on our farms. There is a perception that there are shorter, flashier routes to success in life. Humility is out the window, now it's "look at me". Times are changing, and a good deal of them are for the better. But when the perception that the football program is still stuck in the old stubborn "Iowa Way" it rankles people. People have even criticized the Wave, largely because it is "so Iowa". Just as they've criticized poor student seating in Carver Hawkeye, music selections at Kinnick, and other things that are perceived as old fashioned stubbornness.
 
We'd have to check stats at Hawkeye websites and the ADs office regarding fan engagement. If you're using message boards to gauge apathy, you need to remember that one cousinbreeder can ruin an entire board. See the defunct pay board for more on that topic
 
We'd have to check stats at Hawkeye websites and the ADs office regarding fan engagement. If you're using message boards to gauge apathy, you need to remember that one cousinbreeder can ruin an entire board. See the defunct pay board for more on that topic
Double post.

But I like how you finally spelled cousin correctly.
 
I understand people tired of same coaching. Brian was serverly under qualified and isn't really growing into position.

But these players chose Iowa over other opportunities. They're frustrated too. There's a lot of potential on this team and I'm sure they'd like support.
Hawkeye team song this year, again..."Wasted On The Way"
 
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This is the double edged sword of being a fan that cares, people bite on a smoke and mirrors 4-0 start and start to believe. It's really reality not apathy people are feeling. Iowa is not "elete", A good team yes, a running the table team? I don't know. Wins against bad Purdue, Northwestern, and Illinois teams are possible, but Minny and Nebby will be toss-ups and Whisky would be a huge upset. We will probably be an 8 win team. All four losses will be against contenders. I guess that's just the reality of Iowa Football.
 
This is the double edged sword of being a fan that cares, people bite on a smoke and mirrors 4-0 start and start to believe. It's really reality not apathy people are feeling...

This ... Again ... Year after year ... :eek:
The inevitable nut-punch of disappointing under performance relative to skill, experience and opportunity.o_O:mad:

FMHL!:(
 
Seriously, and I mean no disrespect, but for you and everyone who think that the brand of football Iowa plays is "freaking boring" in both losses and wins should probably find another team to pull for. There are plenty of teams that play uptempo, throw it all over the field, score a bunch of points, etc. Pick anyone from the big 12, that's a good place to start, except ISU, not exciting enough for you there. Of course you could stay in the B1G because OSU looks pretty good, and there is always room on that wagon. Hell, even Bama and LSU have turned up the offense lately and are scoring a lot of points. You have options.

But here are the options you don't have. You cant pull for Wisconsin. They are too boring and while they are scoring points at a record pace and blowing people out, it's still boring to you. Another option you are relinquishing is complaining about defense, cant do it. It goes hand in hand, you want to score points? Then you are going to give them up too. You cant pick and choose and say, I love Oklahoma State's offense but just imagine if they had Iowa's defense, and then jump off their wagon because their defense is "freaking boring." And you can't jump from team to team, even if you want to photoshop your face into a picture at the 2010 Meineke Car Care Bowl (where as an ACC team lost to South Florida) claiming you have been a lifelong Clemson fan. Nobody likes a fair-weather fan.

Oh, I forgot, there is always Nebraska.
Have you ever heard of evolving with the times? It's not 1985 anymore, and apparently KF never got the memo. Our schemes are stuck in the stone age, and KF and dumb dumb junior play the game like we have Alabama talent and can just line up and roll over other teams because of talent superiority. Nope. We don't have that talent, not even close. You think top recruits want to come play in an offense that can't even effectively run a hurry up? Constantly runs the clock out before the half instead of trying to score? No, its boring to them, Sure KF will get the linemen and occasional diamond in the rough and they will develop to go on to the NFL, but unless you're getting some talented skill players, then the offense will continue to be the bore fest we see every Saturday where it takes 8 minutes to put together a 75 yard drive and finally score, or lately maybe get a field goal if we're lucky. KF has sold his bullshit 'we are only Iowa' mantra for 20 years now, and it is a load of shit. Meanwhile teams like Wisconsin have left us in the dust.
 
Have you ever heard of evolving with the times? It's not 1985 anymore, and apparently KF never got the memo. Our schemes are stuck in the stone age, and KF and dumb dumb junior play the game like we have Alabama talent and can just line up and roll over other teams because of talent superiority. Nope. We don't have that talent, not even close. You think top recruits want to come play in an offense that can't even effectively run a hurry up? Constantly runs the clock out before the half instead of trying to score? No, its boring to them, Sure KF will get the linemen and occasional diamond in the rough and they will develop to go on to the NFL, but unless you're getting some talented skill players, then the offense will continue to be the bore fest we see every Saturday where it takes 8 minutes to put together a 75 yard drive and finally score, or lately maybe get a field goal if we're lucky. KF has sold his bullshit 'we are only Iowa' mantra for 20 years now, and it is a load of shit. Meanwhile teams like Wisconsin have left us in the dust.
Kirk's whole philosophy is predicated on "making the other team make the mistake". And the last two games the other team hasn't made them. Last year against Wisconsin the Badgers didnt make them (we did). We look bad in 2019, 2009 and 1999 when we aren't forcing mistakes and special teams blunders. Even in 2002 we feasted off the other teams mistakes. The ONLY time in the Kirk era that there was an exception to that rule was 2008, when we simp!y bludgeoned teams with Shonn Greene and Jewel Hampton and we're probably a top five team once we really got rolling at the end of the year.

Can you see a difference between the Mississippi State game and the last two? Other than we forced MSU into a ton of mistakes? Probably not a huge difference. But it's smug and arrogant and frankly annoying when you play to force the other team to make the mistake and it doesn't work. I respect Kirk, but it drives me nuts when he can't get off the field on third and long. It drove me nuts in 2000 and it still drives me nuts today. It's almost like he would rather force a mistake than have his own offense on the field. It would be nice to roll someone like we did Illinois last year, but do that to a better team.
 
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Da Haterz apathy after a win is so predictable and so pleasing a sound.
 

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