Anyone want more Alford talk???

sportstalent said:
Who leaves a good Big Ten job for an MWC job...a guy who wasn't invested into staying at Iowa.
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...and a guy who had dug himself a serious hole with the Pierce incident and his boorish narcissistic behavior. A guy who wants to be the "Big Fish". Basketball is King at New Mexico...and the media scrutiny is nothing like it is at Iowa, or most Big Ten programs.
 
Section136 said:
I didn't realize it was the men's basketball coach who was responsible for securing funds for facility upgrades.
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He is a big part of it. If people don't like him they won't donate or support anything including facility upgrades. The coach is the face of the program, but can't be a multiple faced individual who does nothing but burn bridges and pees on the ashes.
 
Im having a hard time believing that number as well 'talent.

Horner
Boyd
Brunner
Hansen
Reiner
Hendersen
Haluska (technicality but he did spend 4 years in the program and he was a RS Freshman when he sat out)
Brownlee
Wieck
Angle

That is 10 right there and Im sure there are at least a few more.

Unless Im missing something and guys like Boyd, Hendersen and Hansen didnt graduate.
 
Section136 said:
Im having a hard time believing that number as well 'talent.

Horner
Boyd
Brunner
Hansen
Reiner
Hendersen
Haluska (technicality but he did spend 4 years in the program and he was a RS Freshman when he sat out)
Brownlee
Wieck
Angle

That is 10 right there and Im sure there are at least a few more.

Unless Im missing something and guys like Boyd, Hendersen and Hansen didnt graduate.
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Haluska doesnt count...were Weick and Brownlee on scholarship?
 
sportstalent said:
Haluska doesnt count...were Weick and Brownlee on scholarship?
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If you count Freeman and Kelly as dings against Alford then Haluska should certainly count. He was in the program for 4 years, including one year as a freshman, and he graduated.

Your post with the number 10 said nothing about scholarship players only.
 
Section136 said:
If you count Freeman and Kelly as dings against Alford then Haluska should certainly count. He was in the program for 4 years, including one year as a freshman, and he graduated.

Your post with the number 10 said nothing about scholarship players only.
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Okay 10 players who originally signed their LOI at Iowa...wow
 
Section136 said:
If you count Freeman and Kelly as dings against Alford then Haluska should certainly count. He was in the program for 4 years, including one year as a freshman, and he graduated.

Your post with the number 10 said nothing about scholarship players only.
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Kelly didn't play for Alford...Freeman did.
 
Oh so we can just change the rules after you have been proven wrong...got it.

And I may be mistaken but wasnt Hansen here, then went JUCO and then came back to Iowa for his junior and senior years?
 
Section136 said:
Oh so we can just change the rules after you have been proven wrong...got it.

And I may be mistaken but wasnt Hansen here, then went JUCO and then came back to Iowa for his junior and senior years?
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Not changing rules...just clarifying my statement. Hansen did not play all four years at Iowa.
 
sportstalent said:
Not changing rules...just clarifying my statement. Hansen did not play all four years at Iowa.
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Once again, not the criteria you set.

You said players Alford brought in as freshmen.

Im done as pretty soon the required criteria will be players who Alford brought in that graduated and won a minimum of 2 NCAA tourney games.
 
Section136 said:
Once again, not the criteria you set.

You said players Alford brought in as freshmen.

Im done as pretty soon the required criteria will be players who Alford brought in that graduated and won a minimum of 2 NCAA tourney games.
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That is fine, but it is still less than 10.
Sorry I didn't clarify up front.
The point is no matter how you look at it Alford set the program up to fail. By having no real stability by retaining or keeping players in the program long term. When that practice stops the program fails...look at Cincy once Huggins left.
 
sportstalent said:
That is fine, but it is still less than 10.
Sorry I didn't clarify up front.
The point is no matter how you look at it Alford set the program up to fail. By having no real stability by retaining or keeping players in the program long term. When that practice stops the program fails...look at Cincy once Huggins left.
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Seems to be working OK for Kentucky.
 
sportstalent said:
Great comparison... good work.
The rules are also much different today that allows them to do so.

So when was Alford bringing in Top 10 talent year in and year out?
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That was a joke.

The part I do find funny is how much you are hammering on the point of player retention and program stability and Lickliter gets no mention at all in any of this. Was it Alford's fault as well that Lick was a jackazz to some of his players and they left because of that?
 
Section136 said:
That was a joke.

The part I do find funny is how much you are hammering on the point of player retention and program stability and Lickliter gets no mention at all in any of this. Was it Alford's fault as well that Lick was a jackazz to some of his players and they left because of that?
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This is an Alford thread.
 
Section136 said:
That was a joke.

The part I do find funny is how much you are hammering on the point of player retention and program stability and Lickliter gets no mention at all in any of this. Was it Alford's fault as well that Lick was a jackazz to some of his players and they left because of that?
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Lick was a bad coach and bad recruiter. I don't believe that has been recently disputed on this board. He was a bad hire all around. He couldn't build a program from scratch.

And that's exactly what Alford left on the shelf. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. THAT'S why everyone is bashing Alford. He is SUPPOSED to be this great coach and recruiter because he's won all these championships in a mid-major conference and is now in charge of one of the storied programs ever in college basketball. But he couldn't do it at Iowa.

Lick's name doesn't have to be brought up because everyone pretty much agrees the downward spiral STARTED BY ALFORD continued under his watch.

Just my $.02 .. ..

GO HAWKS!!!
 
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