blkngldFRO
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Anyone have any news with how Ingram is doing this summer. Really curious about this incoming freshmen.
any patrick ingram news?
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wundergrape
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I looked today. Couldn't find anything.
legelsegel
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Whose supposed to be a stronger player? Ingram or Clemmons? Kinda crazy that the team has been bonding and coming together all summer and Ingram is the only one not there.
SheagleHawk
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Think you have that backwards, BigD. By all accounts, Clemmons is the defensive specialist while Ingram is a slasher/scorer. I think Ingram is solid defensively, but he's a 2 and his vids don't show much distributing.
wundergrape
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Sheagle is closer than BigD. Ingram will not be asked to distribute. He'll be brought in to wreak havoc on defense and collapse zone defenses off the dribble. He will see fewer minutes than Clemmons (in their early years) and will be asked to do less with the ball in his hands. He has a similar skill set to Eric May with a higher ceiling. Possible redshirt. Optimum career model>>>Pierre Pierce (minus the obvious).
this is what i have always thought...but ingram has 2 places that are below may...1) height - this is big because unless ingram grows he really can only play the 1 or 2 (i think he is only 6'2) & 2) shot - may can shoot the 3 ball better and ingram needs to add that or he will struggle as his height will make it hard if all he can do is go to the basket.
i feel ingram being told he could stay and didnt have to come to ic for summer class and ptl and practice meant 1 of 2 things. 1) he is so good he will come in and start so fran doesnt think he needs to be here. 2) he isnt going to play much and might redshirt so fran said he could stay. of those 2 i would say the second is more likely. he has a very flawed game compared to the other frosh.
ingram and meyer could very well get redshirted. and if they do that is still 10 guys to rotate. and it would put the classes much more even. it would leave us with next yr being...
frosh - 3
soph - 4
jr - 3
sr - 3
that gives a good spread. allows for easy absorbtion if players leave early as we get better and development of frosh as they wont be expected to come in and set the world on fire...they can just play and if they do well it will be a bonus.
1hawkeye1
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He's fed up with Penn state.
blkngldFRO
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Whats going on at Penn State?
blkngldFRO
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Everyone keeps talking about redshirting players. I just don't see Fran redshirting anyone right now. Why does everyone think Fran would redshirt a kid? I haven't even heard him come close to commenting on something like this.
He does have one of those games that could end up not translating as well at the next level. He scores a bit like a power forward. Because he is strong, he can get away with that in high school, but he could get swatted in the B1G.
That being said, the May comparison is a good one, but Ingram has far better latteral mobility. So, he might be a more effective trapping guard.
That being said, the May comparison is a good one, but Ingram has far better latteral mobility. So, he might be a more effective trapping guard.
caarhawk, i agree he probably has more lateral mobility but i would guess that may's height and length advantage probably make it a push on defense...maybe he is so quick that he is better. but may is a really good rebounding wing and i doubt ingram matches him there.
imported_blkngldfro, many are thinking redshirt as a possibility on a couple players because of 2 things...1) depth at certain positions (or readiness to play compared to others at position) and 2) scholarships as they are very unevenly distributed because of the defections during lick era.
#1 is the main reason people think meyer might redshirt. with ingram i feel he falls into both categories even though depth at the wings isnt great he doesnt seem ready to take minutes from anyone and he will have 2 less months with the team.
fran hasnt said anyone will redshirt but he hasnt said no one will redshirt either. it is all a crapshoot right now...best guesses.
nice to see so many wanting to talk and watch iowa bball again.
imported_blkngldfro, many are thinking redshirt as a possibility on a couple players because of 2 things...1) depth at certain positions (or readiness to play compared to others at position) and 2) scholarships as they are very unevenly distributed because of the defections during lick era.
#1 is the main reason people think meyer might redshirt. with ingram i feel he falls into both categories even though depth at the wings isnt great he doesnt seem ready to take minutes from anyone and he will have 2 less months with the team.
fran hasnt said anyone will redshirt but he hasnt said no one will redshirt either. it is all a crapshoot right now...best guesses.
nice to see so many wanting to talk and watch iowa bball again.
What really separates May and Ingram is May has a lower BB IQ and Ingram has a very high BB IQ. After that, you are correct, the plus' and minus' equal out.
Firehawk11
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I don't know about those minutes per game. Fran has publicly said he has the depth and horses to run like he wants to now. I see fewer minutes per player than he has had to run the first couple years. More uptempo with more substitutions. If Clemmons and Ingram can be pests on the defensive end they will get minutes. We have enough firepower offensively.
blkngldFRO
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All the points that everyone made about redshirting are good ones, and I don't disagree with them.
Like Fire said Fran keeps talking about wanting to run more. He will need every guy on the roaster at this point to keep "starters" legs rested. I don't think Frans vision of basketball is all about how many min are logged. If a player is looking for that I don't see them finding it at Iowa. Now if a player wants to run and win then Iowa will be that place.
To keep up with the top programs Fran wants to end up playing and beating (i.e. in the final four) I think his game plan is to ware them down (not loll them to sleep)! We tried to do this to the ducks, almost did, but did not have the depth.
p.s. I don't think we are making it to the F4 next year. Fran has pulled no punches that he plans to get there.
p.s.s. More will be talking about Iowa basketball after the first two weeks of awful play in football. I am the first to hope I am wrong about that.
i would bet that fran ran like he wanted to at the other schools he coached at because he wasnt there for only 2 yrs. he set up a system and ran it after he built it. at those other places (and including 2 yrs at iowa)...i dont believe i have seen where he had a bigger rotation than 9 guys. i will stipulate that i only include guys with 10+ min as rotation players. right now i believe he has 10 guys that could go 10+ min and be rotation guys. meyer and ingram are the 2 that i think miss out (with the possibility that olaseni is probably under 10 also). but meyer and ingram i feel are 0-5 min guys with what we have.
all that i have looked at fran also will utilize his best players (this yr marble and white) as much as possible usually around 30 min. part of running isnt just having the guys but conditioning the guys...white wasnt ready to play major min early last yr because of conditioning but at the end he was going for about 27 min a game (i dont see his min going down when he should get better). marble last yr played over 30 min a lot of games...he will be the guy expected to pick up the slack for gatens loss so i dont see his min going down either.
anything over a 10 man rotation can be difficult for players to fully get into the swing of their games because the min are so cut up. to me ingram's best chance for minutes would be show that he can be a 3rd option at pg so marble doesnt have to play there.
also some are forgetting about jo...i feel he will be the biggest surprise in how well he plays on both ends of the court. he has the tools to be a good defender...he is our only pure shooter (and is quickening his shot)...and he really took to learning offense and defense from matt (not a bad tutor). he is long and probably our 4th best ball handler on the team (maybe 3rd best). i think jo will be a starter...and i think basabe has found his niche as a 6th man type off the bench (which will keep white at the 4 at least to start the game which opens the 2 spot for jo).
all that i have looked at fran also will utilize his best players (this yr marble and white) as much as possible usually around 30 min. part of running isnt just having the guys but conditioning the guys...white wasnt ready to play major min early last yr because of conditioning but at the end he was going for about 27 min a game (i dont see his min going down when he should get better). marble last yr played over 30 min a lot of games...he will be the guy expected to pick up the slack for gatens loss so i dont see his min going down either.
anything over a 10 man rotation can be difficult for players to fully get into the swing of their games because the min are so cut up. to me ingram's best chance for minutes would be show that he can be a 3rd option at pg so marble doesnt have to play there.
also some are forgetting about jo...i feel he will be the biggest surprise in how well he plays on both ends of the court. he has the tools to be a good defender...he is our only pure shooter (and is quickening his shot)...and he really took to learning offense and defense from matt (not a bad tutor). he is long and probably our 4th best ball handler on the team (maybe 3rd best). i think jo will be a starter...and i think basabe has found his niche as a 6th man type off the bench (which will keep white at the 4 at least to start the game which opens the 2 spot for jo).
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OatesStache
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I think someone should be red shirted. You don't want 40% of your roster to graduate at once.
atomicblue224
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Could it be possible to go to FINAL FOUR this year??? What's our chances? I'm curious about your thoughts.
