Anthony Tucker Returning to Practice

Ferentz does not talk about his internal punishment, so why should Lickliter??? Some just want to know what the punishment is, so they can decide if they have another reason to criticize the man or not???
 
I remember as a kid that a friend of mine got caught with a pack a cigarettes. So his dad made him smoke the whole pack right in front of him. Not a pretty sight. Needless to say, the kid didn't want to touch a cigarette again.

I'm sure Lickliter's punishment is sort of the same way. :)
 
keep in mind that there are significant liability issues involved with player discipline. this is one of the reasons why the university puts a clear and uniform policy in place that treats all athletes in all sports the same. yes, coaches are technically allowed to impose discipline beyond the stated policy, but i would guess that the university highly discourages this (especially when it involves dismissal from the team). it may sound stupid, but if AT gets dismissed from the team for the same offense that only gets a soccer player suspended for a month, he might try to sue for damages (including theoretical professional earnings). would he win? probably not, but this is the exact sort of thing universities want to avoid. hence the policy.
 
storminspank said:
It's not inevitable... that would make you an soothsayer, which I think is highly unlikely.

Could he let them down again? Absolutely. To say it's inevitable isn't true.

Tucker was 2nd in the team in scoring - that's bringing SOMETHING to the table.

Iowa is playing better, but that has more to do with a couple starting true freshmen getting more D1 experience and Fuller getting healed up. It's not because Tucker was gone - you have to look deeper than that.
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Tucker seems to be out there to get his first and worry about everything else later. I think the offense was more fluid w/o him in it before he went and got trashed again.
 
storminspank said:
I remember as a kid that a friend of mine got caught with a pack a cigarettes. So his dad made him smoke the whole pack right in front of him. Not a pretty sight. Needless to say, the kid didn't want to touch a cigarette again.

I'm sure Lickliter's punishment is sort of the same way. :)
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Are you implying that Lick made Tucker drinnk enough vodka to kill a horse then made him pummel a cabbie and his ride until his fists bled?
 
He should be at the end of his lives. If he screws up again he needs to pack. Hopefully, if he messes up we have time to fill the roster. Love to add another 2011 recruit if he can't commit to the team.
 
olivecourt said:
keep in mind that there are significant liability issues involved with player discipline.
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What are those issues? I'd be interested to know if a coach has ever been ordered by a court to play a kid he doesn't think belongs on the team. Of course, there's always a possibility of a lawsuit that has no merit and would be dismissed. The University deals with those from time to time as a cost of doing business.

A coach can administer discipline beyond what the University imposes, including the election simply not to have someone play. In addition, a scholarship is renewable at the election of the University for each academic year. Iowa coaches have elected not to renew players' scholarships on a number of occasions. There's no question they could choose to do that with Tucker at the end of this academic year if they wanted to.
 
Whose time is Tucker going to take? Just John's or maybe some of Eric's or Aaron's? Will be interesting to see. And I'm betting on his reappearance in the Ohio State game.
 
FreddyBrown said:
Lick has said repeatedly, as has Coach Ferentz in the past, that he has discretion to impose discipline above and beyond what the U. policy requires. That is very, very clear.

There are situations where an exception is warranted to the practice of keeping the nature of any discipline within the team. The more serious or repetitive the offense, the more merit there is in making it known what the consequences were. Among other things, it serves to help the people who support the program understand and buy into what the program stands for. I'm not equating Tucker's offenses with those of Pierre Pierce in terms of gravity, but do you think, for example, that the U. should have simply kept quiet about what Pierce's punishment (such as it was) would be?

Frankly I'd like to hear someone explain why it is that the "default rule" should be to keep discipline given by the team itself confidential when the discipline is given for a very public offense. If a kid screws up only on a team rule or in some other way internal to the team, that's one thing. If he does what Tucker has done twice, what is the harm of letting the public know whether and how any further dicpline is being imposed? It's simple public relations, and that's something this program needs to do a better job of in general. Are we afraid of embarrassing the kid? Why? You do the crime, you do the time.

Unless, of course, people within the program might be embarrassed at having to disclose that they really aren't administering any other discipline?
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The poster seems to be unaware of the federal legislation that binds coaches as well as other college administrators--and seems equally unaware of what U of Iowa policy-making and disciplinary procedures require..and allow.


First, neither a coach nor the registrar or any other college official can inform the press, other media, other external parties of matters relating to a studen't academic standing or status ias a student unless the student has given permission to do so or unless it falls witin the narrow category of personal records that are authorized for release for such purposes as statistical anaysis, or other uses not specific to the individual student.

Iowa City police investigated the incident, filed a report, made charges as a consequence. All these are matters of public record. Tucker was also subject to investigation and an inquiry by the University for violation of its rules. Those are NOT matters of public record, and the University could be subject to a civil suit for improperly releasing such information.

Secondly, neither Lickliter nor Ferentz has--or ever would--contend that he AS COACH has any authority to impose disciplinary measures beyond the terms specified by published university policies and rules. Nor would he contend that he can alter, disregard, overrule or overturn decision(s) reached in the prescribed disciplinary procedures. All this is carefully spelled out in detail in the Code of Student Conduct--which binds athletes like all other students, athletic participation like all other extracirricular activities.

As a member of the team, Tucker is subject to & Lickliter is empowered t impose sanctions for violations of team rules or for conduct related to games or practices. Period. If there is a team rule requiring a player to be in study hall or in his residence at a certaian hour, the coach can impose a sanction in respnse to that violation.

But Tucker's actions were outside of his basketball role. He was charged by municipal law enforcement. Outside of Lickliter's jurisdiction. Tucker's actions also violated rules governing his conduct as a U of Iowa student. The U imposed sanctions for that. Far as it goes.
 
parquet said:
Whose time is Tucker going to take? Just John's or maybe some of Eric's or Aaron's? Will be interesting to see. And I'm betting on his reappearance in the Ohio State game.
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John/Devan

He'll take that time, and little of Eric's. Fuller won't be affected by it. Tuck will really need to earn minutes if he expects to take them away from May.
 
hawkdoctor said:
He should be at the end of his lives. If he screws up again he needs to pack. Hopefully, if he messes up we have time to fill the roster. Love to add another 2011 recruit if he can't commit to the team.
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It has been stated on this forum, MANY TIMES, that the U of I has a policy in place that if Tucker does screw up again he will be gone as per university policy. I for one hope that does not happen.

First off - AT's academic issues are really not that uncommon for freshmen college students. Granted athletes get additional help with tutors, etc. but the Univeristy of Iowa is no cake walk academically. It is a first rate academic institution and is a very difficult school. In the future, once we get a full line of scholarship athletes, I would not be surprised to see players like Tucker be redshirted their freshman year. Right now we don't have that option. If we did and if Tucker had redshirted, his accademic issues would not have even been known.

Second - His drinking issues are well published. It is an absolute shame he has made these decisions. I certainly hope he has learned his lesson and whether he ends up staying at Iowa being a valuable member of the team, ends up staying at Iowa and becomes a role player (i.e. - Bawinkle type three specialist), or decides he needs to move on and start fresh somewhere else, I will wish him well.

I get the feeling most people on here believe the basketball program is bigger than AT's drinking issues. IMO, that is a huge error in judgement. Overcoming his drinking issue and getting his life in order are FAR MORE IMPORTANT than what happens with his basketball career or even the wins and losses of our beloved Hawkeye basketball program. Based on what I have seen of Coach Lick the last two and a half years, I have NO DOUBT Coach understands that and is working hard to help AT overcome his issues. I am betting it is as important or possibly more important to Coach that AT becomes a better person than a better basketball player.
 
storminspank said:
John/Devan

He'll take that time, and little of Eric's. Fuller won't be affected by it. Tuck will really need to earn minutes if he expects to take them away from May.
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Spank,

Do you feel, as I do, that the minutes Tucker does take away from Eric will actually be to Eric's benefit. Eric works hard and hustles every second on the court. While he is in great shape, getting a blow from time to time will allow him to be just a step quicker late in games.
 
Lionhawk said:
Spank,

Do you feel, as I do, that the minutes Tucker does take away from Eric will actually be to Eric's benefit. Eric works hard and hustles every second on the court. While he is in great shape, getting a blow from time to time will allow him to be just a step quicker late in games.
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Before Tuck's suspension, Eric was averaging 24.5 min/G, 8.4 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 1.5 APG

After Tuck's suspension, Eric has averaged 35.3 min/G, 9.6 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 2.1 APG.

So while his numbers have gone up, nothing sticks out that says Eric has to get 35 min/G. SOS in these games are pretty moot, as Iowa had a pretty challenging Non-Conf vs Big Ten. I'd have to agree that getting Eric a little more rest can't hurt. But Iowa cannot afford to have him lose his aggressiveness and intensity if he sits more. That's the #1 thing he brings to the floor besides his athleticism.
 
FreddyBrown said:
What are those issues? I'd be interested to know if a coach has ever been ordered by a court to play a kid he doesn't think belongs on the team. Of course, there's always a possibility of a lawsuit that has no merit and would be dismissed. The University deals with those from time to time as a cost of doing business.

A coach can administer discipline beyond what the University imposes, including the election simply not to have someone play. In addition, a scholarship is renewable at the election of the University for each academic year. Iowa coaches have elected not to renew players' scholarships on a number of occasions. There's no question they could choose to do that with Tucker at the end of this academic year if they wanted to.
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iirc PP tried to sue the university to get back on the team. I'm pretty sure I didn't just make that up but could somebody verify this?
 
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