Another reason to dislike the NBA

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stlrnhwk

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I will state up front that I’m a Lakers fan so I’m sure it sounds like sour grapes but I see this in playoff series’ that don’t involve them too. I still think they'll win the series in 6 or 7.

Last night the Lakers lose by 9, while I don’t blame the refs, I blame their inability to guard bench players shooting 3’s, officials still influenced the game. Free throws, Suns 32, Lakers 13. In game 3 Free throws Suns 42 Lakers 20. So the Lakers lose both games by 9, but shoot 22 less free throws in game 3 and 19 less in game 3? How could that not be a factor. When the game was in doubt, when the Lakers were within 1 posession or even had the lead some huge calls were made. There was a play when Bynum was called for a foul while running around the screen when the Suns guard (not nash) intentionally ran into him. Second Stoudemire runs through Derek Fisher while going for a rebound, literally knocks him to the ground and gets the rebound and scores. No call. Gasol was hammered on 3 possessions in a row when trying to get a shot off, no call, but Stoudemire on the other end has his jersey grazed and it's a shooting foul, even though he again initiated contact

In LA game 2 the Lakers won by 12. Free throws Lakers 34 Suns 26 (diff 8). Game 2 Lakers won by 19. Free throws Lakers 22 Suns 32 (Suns actually shot 10 more).

For the season, the Lakers averaged 24.2 free throws per game, the Suns averaged 25.8. There is no reason why there should be such a huge differential (20 per game) in Phoenix.

I don’t know how anyone can look at these numbers and not say the NBA wants 7 game series and are influencing the outcomes to get that.
 
I don't know why youre complaining, the only thing this means is that in the next two games the Lakers will shoot twice as many free throws as the Suns. I dislike this about the NBA as well, the need by referees to control the outcome of games with their whistles, and then decide that since they gave one team alot of free throws last game, they need to give the other team just as many the next game regardless of how stupid they have to look to do it. It's a Stern thing, he's such a little b!tch.
 
stlrnhwk said:
I will state up front that I’m a Lakers fan so I’m sure it sounds like sour grapes but I see this in playoff series’ that don’t involve them too. I still think they'll win the series in 6 or 7.

Last night the Lakers lose by 9, while I don’t blame the refs, I blame their inability to guard bench players shooting 3’s, officials still influenced the game. Free throws, Suns 32, Lakers 13. In game 3 Free throws Suns 42 Lakers 20. So the Lakers lose both games by 9, but shoot 22 less free throws in game 3 and 19 less in game 3? How could that not be a factor. When the game was in doubt, when the Lakers were within 1 posession or even had the lead some huge calls were made. There was a play when Bynum was called for a foul while running around the screen when the Suns guard (not nash) intentionally ran into him. Second Stoudemire runs through Derek Fisher while going for a rebound, literally knocks him to the ground and gets the rebound and scores. No call. Gasol was hammered on 3 possessions in a row when trying to get a shot off, no call, but Stoudemire on the other end has his jersey grazed and it's a shooting foul, even though he again initiated contact

In LA game 2 the Lakers won by 12. Free throws Lakers 34 Suns 26 (diff 8). Game 2 Lakers won by 19. Free throws Lakers 22 Suns 32 (Suns actually shot 10 more).

For the season, the Lakers averaged 24.2 free throws per game, the Suns averaged 25.8. There is no reason why there should be such a huge differential (20 per game) in Phoenix.

I don’t know how anyone can look at these numbers and not say the NBA wants 7 game series and are influencing the outcomes to get that.
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Part of the free throw differential may have been the home crowd, but mostly it was due to the change in the Lakers offense due to the zone. Look at the number of 3's LA shot at home compared to in Phoenix. The last two games the Lakers have tried to just drive and kick and jack up 3's, when teams are settling for jumpers all the time, they are obviously not going to get to the line as much as when they are attacking the rim.
 
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That is just the way basketball is, especially the NBA. In football refs miss calls all the time, as do umps calling balls and strikes.

The thing that I hate most about the NBA is that the good players are suppose to "get the calls". It should be the other way around, let teams like the Clippers and Timberwolves get the calls so they don't suck as much.
 
TChawk said:
With the calls and kobe gets all the time this is alot of sour grapes.
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Kobe does not get many of these calls that people like you say he does. Honest. I watch every Lakers game. It does not happen. Durant and Stoudamire have gotten way more calls in these playoffs than Kobe.

To the original poster, I am a huge Lakers fan as well, and have definitely seen what you are seeing. It is extremely frustrating. I felt like the refs certainly screwed the Lakers in Game 3, but not in Game 4. In Game 4, although the difference at the line was still 19, the Lakers inability to defend the 3, and every one of the Lakers ability to make a shot (besides Kobe, who was phenomenal) was the difference. The Suns opened the 4th with three wide open 3s that stretched a one point game to 10 rather quickly. And they did it with five bench players on the floor. That, to me, was the difference. Kobe has to get help, or the Lakers will lose Game 5 at home. Phoenix is playing with a lot of confidence right now, and have shown the ability to go ten deep. Nobody else in these playoffs can say that.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Part of the free throw differential may have been the home crowd, but mostly it was due to the change in the Lakers offense due to the zone. Look at the number of 3's LA shot at home compared to in Phoenix. The last two games the Lakers have tried to just drive and kick and jack up 3's, when teams are settling for jumpers all the time, they are obviously not going to get to the line as much as when they are attacking the rim.
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This is 100% correct. When you don't understand the game, I suppose it is easy to blame the refs.

In games 1 and 2, the Lakers shot 16 and 17 threes, respectively. In game 3 and 4, they shot 29 and 32 threes.

The biggest change is that the the Suns changed their defense, which closed up the lane for Kobe and Odom to drive, and forced the Lakers to reley on jumpshots. The way to get to the line is to attack the basket, and since LA stopped attacking the basket, they didn't get calls.

Phoenix, on the other hand, attacks the basket at every opportunity. They shot 32 free throws in game 4, and they shot 32 in game 1.
 
Lakers fans should never be allowed to complain about the refs

Was it the 2002 season where the refs blatently screwed the Kings in game 6 so it would go to a game 7? Whatever year that was, that was the worst officiated game i have ever seen in my entire life. If you are a Lakers fan and feel like complaining about the refs just think about this game and realize the refs handed them a chance to stay alive and go for the 3 peat.

I'm a Lakers fan by the way
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Part of the free throw differential may have been the home crowd, but mostly it was due to the change in the Lakers offense due to the zone. Look at the number of 3's LA shot at home compared to in Phoenix. The last two games the Lakers have tried to just drive and kick and jack up 3's, when teams are settling for jumpers all the time, they are obviously not going to get to the line as much as when they are attacking the rim.
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THIS is spot on

The more aggressive team in each game has shot more free throws....that isnt the NBA fixing games - its called common sense

If the Lakers shoot more free throws in game 5 it will because they realize that they suck at shooting 3's and decide to take advantage of their ridiculous height advantage
 
HAWKEYESTATE4ever said:
Kobe does not get many of these calls that people like you say he does. Honest. I watch every Lakers game. It does not happen. Durant and Stoudamire have gotten way more calls in these playoffs than Kobe.
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Yup you must be a lakers fan....and I am not jus talking these playoffs I am talking in general and yes Kobe gets away with alot of **** and gets fouls called his way left and right.
 
stlrnhwk said:
I will state up front that I’m a Lakers fan so I’m sure it sounds like sour grapes but I see this in playoff series’ that don’t involve them too. I still think they'll win the series in 6 or 7.
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Bad officiating in the NBA is SOP. The inconsistency of what is a foul, what isn't a foul, is comical. The foul they called on Brown at the end of the 3rd quarter is a good example when compared to what isn't called. But, the Lakers aren't going to win with Odom and Artest standing on the perimeter, jacking up 3s.
 
I can't recall your other "questionable calls" from last night, but that Bynum call was absolutely correct. He tried to hedge on the screen and roll, but his slow butt can't move his feet well enough, got to the hedge late after Nash had already turned the corner. That was obviously a foul on Bynum. You lose credibility there which makes me think your other calls weren't all that "terrible."

By the way, for all the NBA haters you should really give the playoffs a chance. NBA playoff basketball is just as competitive as the NCAA tournament but played at a way higher level. The NBA game is more nuanced, actually has big men, plays faster, has way less turnovers and sloppiness, and is every bit as enjoyable as the college game. I find the NBA game itself more enjoyable to watch. The difference in skill level and quality from the college level is amazing.
 
GhostofBTT said:
This is 100% correct. When you don't understand the game, I suppose it is easy to blame the refs.

In games 1 and 2, the Lakers shot 16 and 17 threes, respectively. In game 3 and 4, they shot 29 and 32 threes.

The biggest change is that the the Suns changed their defense, which closed up the lane for Kobe and Odom to drive, and forced the Lakers to reley on jumpshots. The way to get to the line is to attack the basket, and since LA stopped attacking the basket, they didn't get calls.

Phoenix, on the other hand, attacks the basket at every opportunity. They shot 32 free throws in game 4, and they shot 32 in game 1.
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Let me first say I hate the Lakers and sticking up for them pains me, but it is funny to me that you would call out someone for not understanding the game and then throw out bad stats in an attempt to prove your invalid argument. In game 4 the Lakers attempted 28 threes, which you claim is way to many for them to shoot free throws, meanwhile the Suns, who you praise for attacking the basket "at every opportunity" shot 30 three pointers. Please explain
 
I think that the officials are way worse in college than the NBA. Just looks like a laker fan complaining to me. Move on ppl.
 
on Dan Patrick radio show Monday he had the gambling referee, Tim Donaghy on. He said that in the referee meetings with the league office during playoffs, that the league would tell them to watch for certain things. It was unsaid, yet fairly obvious they wanted Team X to win.

Like a Houston-Sacramento series, they told them to watch things happening to Yao Ming among others Houston interests, and low-and-behold Ming got a lot of calls and Houston won the next 2 games, which extended the series (ie: more TV revenue $$) and eventually won the series IIRC.

I believe Sacramento had the best record that year, but was eliminated by Houston IIRC. They are not fixing the games per se, just making sure the team of interest gets a more than fair shake (whether that team be a media giant like LA or a team down in the series)
 
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irvskyle said:
Let me first say I hate the Lakers and sticking up for them pains me, but it is funny to me that you would call out someone for not understanding the game and then throw out bad stats in an attempt to prove your invalid argument. In game 4 the Lakers attempted 28 threes, which you claim is way to many for them to shoot free throws, meanwhile the Suns, who you praise for attacking the basket "at every opportunity" shot 30 three pointers. Please explain
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It's not just the number of three point shots that explain the difference in free throws, it's the change in the Lakers offensive philosophy the last two games. The number of three pointers they've taken in games 3 and 4 compared to games 1 and 2 just helps illustrate this point. Since the Suns went to the zone, the Lakers have not been nearly as aggressive in getting to the rim. They are settling for more jump shots, three's and two pointers, than drives to the rim. The Suns' offensive style hasn't changed at all, they're still attacking and kicking out for three's like always. The Suns don't take as many long two's as the Lakers have been forced to take in the last two games. So it just comes down to the fact that more jump shots, not just three pointers, equals fewer free throws.
 
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