Alvarez Doesn't Support the Big Hammer for PSU

[JonDMiller]

http://espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=44&post_id=7981

Alvarez went on to talk about the difference between the Penn State case and cases that resulted in programs being placed on probation by the NCAA, such as Ohio State (free tattoos) and Southern California (improper benefits).

“There was no competitive advantage here, which the school’s put on probation did have,â€￾ he said. “They had a competitive advantage on the things they were allowing their players to do or things they were allowing them to receive.

“This is a moral issue. The lack of institutional control does play into it.â€￾

I strongly disagree. As always, what was the motive?

In this instance, what was the motive for Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley to conceal a child rapist in their midst for 14 years and do next to nothing about it? (Which means putting more children in harms way, which did happen)

The stated motive in the info the Freeh Report collected is clear; they were worried about possible bad image and news affecting Penn State. And why would you worry about that? Loss of money, potential challenges in recruiting that would hurt the program.

And if you covered up a child rapist in your midst to avoid these things, to avoid this news getting out, then that in and of itself is doing it to avoid a competitive disadvantage, which is inherently doing it for your advantage.

 

[BergHawk7]

I think its just crazy how much of an opinion topic this all is. Everyone who is anyone is giving their own penalties to psu, saying wheather or not the ncaa has any right to punish psu, and they all think theyre right. Honestly nobody knows whats gonna happen, but I do know, that if the punishment by the ncaa isnt just enough, people will riot.

 

[gohawkz]

http://espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=44&post_id=7981

Alvarez went on to talk about the difference between the Penn State case and cases that resulted in programs being placed on probation by the NCAA, such as Ohio State (free tattoos) and Southern California (improper benefits).

“There was no competitive advantage here, which the school’s put on probation did have,â€￾ he said. “They had a competitive advantage on the things they were allowing their players to do or things they were allowing them to receive.

“This is a moral issue. The lack of institutional control does play into it.â€￾

I strongly disagree. As always, what was the motive?

In this instance, what was the motive for Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley to conceal a child rapist in their midst for 14 years and do next to nothing about it? (Which means putting more children in harms way, which did happen)

The stated motive in the info the Freeh Report collected is clear; they were worried about possible bad image and news affecting Penn State. And why would you worry about that? Loss of money, potential challenges in recruiting that would hurt the program.

And if you covered up a child rapist in your midst to avoid these things, to avoid this news getting out, then that in and of itself is doing it to avoid a competitive disadvantage, which is inherently doing it for your advantage.

I agree. I don't understand why there's even a discussion.

The fact is that they covered it up.

If they didn't do it to avoid a black eye to the the program and keep a competitive advantage, then it's what? They just wanted to let this monster keep raping children?

 

[BaryGarta]

This is the point I have wanted made all along. What would their recruiting have looked like if this was made public when it should have.been? How many wins did burying the plight of these children garner for them? These are the grounds the NCAA needs to investigate within.

 

[ThunderHawk]

Alvarez is a shady character. This should surprise nobody.

 

[Wavetowngolfer]

He also had a staff member who had some "same sex" unwanted sexual advances on da Baaaddgers Rose Bowl trip. So the people in glass house throwing stones adage comes to mind.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

How is free tattoos for OSU's players a competetive advantage, but covering up pedophilia for your team's assistant coaches NOT a competetive advantage? If this comes out, your coaches get fired AND go to prison, which hurts your program - yes?

 

[ihawkeye]

So what Alvarez is say is that raping children and getting free tattoo's is on the similar levels of punishment?...... Really Barry! What a slimball.

 

[nationalchamps]

Alvarez is a shady character. This should surprise nobody.

Exactly. Plus, Bert can bend the rules with the best of them so why would Barry advocate the death penalty in this situation?

Saw Alvarez at a local watering hole in the Des Moines area 6 or 7 years ago with Stoops and McCarney. They were all in town for a golf outing. Let's just say he likes to tip quite a few back and has quite the wandering eye. My opinion of him completely changed after that night.

 

[treychase]

Barry Alvarez is wrong, but even more pathetic is that Jim Delany has not made ONE public comment on the situation.

Jim Delany needs to retire. He has no credibility. People laugh at the mere thought of him.
By not even bothering to issue a simple statement, he has effectively been negligent to the members of this conference. He needs to be removed.

 

[pmchawk]

Maybe there is truth to the cousin of former Wisconsin qb making the claims to Barry. If so Barry is just covering his backside because this would make him part of the cover up and would be facing legal issues as well.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Why are these guys that are so smart saying such idiotic things in regards to this? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the motives. You would sure hope Alvarez and any AD or coach from where they are sitting can figure that out. If your one of those guys and you remotely feel that way don't you have to at least be smart enough to NOT SAY IT PUBLICLY knowing the blowback?

 

[DodgerHawki]

I laugh at the thought that people are laughing..

Barry Alvarez is wrong, but even more pathetic is that Jim Delany has not made ONE public comment on the situation.

Jim Delany needs to retire. He has no credibility. People laugh at the mere thought of him.
By not even bothering to issue a simple statement, he has effectively been negligent to the members of this conference. He needs to be removed.

at Delaney. Delaney isn't the type of person who makes half-assed comments that mean nothing and wield no power. He is usually the type that doesn't say much but actually acts. Like when he went ahead and created the BTN or added Nebraska to the conference.

This is the man who had the balls to tell ESPN in 2007 that they could take their low-ball offer for renewing TV contract and shove it and he'd go create his own network. He did it and the rest of the conferences can all thank him for the exponential increase in TV contracts and the rest of the B1G institutions can thank him for the influx of cash (and exposure) through the creation of the conference's own network.

Chronicle of Higher Education this week published a story that indicated conference is looking at a proposal that would give the conference commissioner (in this case, him) the power to fire coaches in the future. Most of the news outlets have covered this as well.

The conference is doing the right thing at this point, letting Penn State have the opportunity to self-punish and/or take corrective action of their own volition. The B1G and the NCAA are not ignoring this, they are just waiting for the the right time to take action. If PSU comes out weak (as in, very little self-punishment) the conference and the NCAA will most assuredly take further action.

Big Ten Conference Could Consider Expelling Penn State Over Scandal - Athletics - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Delaney certainly is not perfect, but to say he lacks credibility is ridiculous.

 

[hawkfan33]

Alvarez is a smart man. I'm sure most of the people who have any say in a punishment for Penn St have a viewpoint closer to his than that of the pound of flesh message board crowd.

 

[ChosenChildren]

The Penn State case really illuminates the character of the people involved:

1. The NCAA has done nothing. They don't want to roll one of their big money institutions.
2. Delaney has done nothing. He doesn't want to kill the golden goose Penn State and their fifty million TV sets.
3. Barry Alvarez, frankly one of the sleaziest characters you will ever encounter in sports, doesn't see the difference between what Penn State did and what Ohio State did.
4. Penn State really has done nothing because they don't want to stop the football money machine from continuing to operate.

The constant here is money. College football has disintegrated into one thing: The pursuit of profit, at all cost. It isn't about the kids playing the game or their families. it is about the greenbacks.

It isn't that way at every level: Go attend a Division III football game some time. That is the way college football should be.

I love the Hawks, but I hate what Division I college football has become. Now we get complete whores like Saban telling us how to punish Penn State. Are you kidding me?

 

[ChosenChildren]

Alvarez is a smart man. I'm sure most of the people who have any say in a punishment for Penn St have a viewpoint closer to his than that of the pound of flesh message board crowd.

Sure Alvarez is smart. It is all about profit for him and promoting himself and the profitability of Wisconsin (one of the great bastions of ethics in college sports) and the Big Ten.

What Alvarez should have said is that he hopes someone will start doing something about the victims of Sandusky. And them shut the hell up.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Alvarez is a smart man. I'm sure most of the people who have any say in a punishment for Penn St have a viewpoint closer to his than that of the pound of flesh message board crowd.

We'll never know what their viewpoints all are unless they publicly have a take on it and are honest. I would suspect your right because they wouldn't want to have harsh penalties on them if they get caught doing this that or the other thing. But in this case where it's such a hot button issue to say the least. Isn't silence golden. Alvarez wouldn't have any negative blowback at all if he doesn't touch that topic to begin with. No comment is the best comment for those guys.

 

[treychase]

Re: I laugh at the thought that people are laughing..

at Delaney. Delaney isn't the type of person who makes half-assed comments that mean nothing and wield no power. He is usually the type that doesn't say much but actually acts. Like when he went ahead and created the BTN or added Nebraska to the conference.

This is the man who had the balls to tell ESPN in 2007 that they could take their low-ball offer for renewing TV contract and shove it and he'd go create his own network. He did it and the rest of the conferences can all thank him for the exponential increase in TV contracts and the rest of the B1G institutions can thank him for the influx of cash (and exposure) through the creation of the conference's own network.

Chronicle of Higher Education this week published a story that indicated conference is looking at a proposal that would give the conference commissioner (in this case, him) the power to fire coaches in the future. Most of the news outlets have covered this as well.

The conference is doing the right thing at this point, letting Penn State have the opportunity to self-punish and/or take corrective action of their own volition. The B1G and the NCAA are not ignoring this, they are just waiting for the the right time to take action. If PSU comes out weak (as in, very little self-punishment) the conference and the NCAA will most assuredly take further action.

Big Ten Conference Could Consider Expelling Penn State Over Scandal - Athletics - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Delaney certainly is not perfect, but to say he lacks credibility is ridiculous.

LOL
You're a little behind, try to keep up.

 

[tweeterhawk]

The Penn State case really illuminates the character of the people involved:

1. The NCAA has done nothing. They don't want to roll one of their big money institutions.
2. Delaney has done nothing. He doesn't want to kill the golden goose Penn State and their fifty million TV sets.
3. Barry Alvarez, frankly one of the sleaziest characters you will ever encounter in sports, doesn't see the difference between what Penn State did and what Ohio State did.
4. Penn State really has done nothing because they don't want to stop the football money machine from continuing to operate.

The constant here is money. College football has disintegrated into one thing: The pursuit of profit, at all cost. It isn't about the kids playing the game or their families. it is about the greenbacks.

It isn't that way at every level: Go attend a Division III football game some time. That is the way college football should be.

I love the Hawks, but I hate what Division I college football has become. Now we get complete whores like Saban telling us how to punish Penn State. Are you kidding me?

Frequently find myself on the other side of the aisle from you politically, CC, but on this I'm 100 percent with you. Good post.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

The Penn State case really illuminates the character of the people involved:

1. The NCAA has done nothing. They don't want to roll one of their big money institutions.
2. Delaney has done nothing. He doesn't want to kill the golden goose Penn State and their fifty million TV sets.
3. Barry Alvarez, frankly one of the sleaziest characters you will ever encounter in sports, doesn't see the difference between what Penn State did and what Ohio State did.
4. Penn State really has done nothing because they don't want to stop the football money machine from continuing to operate.

The constant here is money. College football has disintegrated into one thing: The pursuit of profit, at all cost. It isn't about the kids playing the game or their families. it is about the greenbacks.

It isn't that way at every level: Go attend a Division III football game some time. That is the way college football should be.

I love the Hawks, but I hate what Division I college football has become. Now we get complete whores like Saban telling us how to punish Penn State. Are you kidding me?

We'll see. This is a huge decision. And I think the money aspect is a bit more complicated than you make it out to be. Don't forget the Big Ten and the NCAA have organizational reputations to maintain, and if their responses to the Penn State situation (or lack thereof) hurt their reputations, that could also cost them money.

The NCAA and the conference are being very deliberate, as they should be. Would you rather they make a knee-jerk decision?