Alvarez Doesn't Support the Big Hammer for PSU

[treychase]

We'll see. This is a huge decision. And I think the money aspect is a bit more complicated than you make it out to be. Don't forget the Big Ten and the NCAA have organizational reputations to maintain, and if their responses to the Penn State situation (or lack thereof) hurt their reputations, that could also cost them money.

The NCAA and the conference are being very deliberate, as they should be. Would you rather they make a knee-jerk decision?

I would like a knee-jerk reaction.
Honestly, this shiz aint tough to figure out.

Don't think I really need ANY other info than what we have right now.
PSU had a child rapist on its campus.
They hid that fact & enabled it to continue.

What facts out there are going to change that?

Knee-jerk?
pfffftt.

The B1G is too slow, just like always.

 

[SLarew]

So Trey, tell us what leYOU would do in this situation. You have criticized lack of action but not stated what you would do, that I have seen.

Death Penalty?? How many years?
Expelled from BIG ??
Sanctions??

And what legal basis would you use for your decision??

If PSU doesnt play football this Fall, what happens with new open date for Iowa??

There are many implications. The system moves slow, sometimes too slow, but it moves slowly for a reason. Heck, why hasnt that guy who did shooting in Colorado been put in electric chair already??

 

[JonDMiller]

I don't even have an idea on how I would punish them. Certainly a multi-year bowl ban and reduction in scholarships beyond what USC received. Don't think I'd sink the entire program, but make the bowl ban and schollie reduction serious enough that it sets them back several years....like 5 rides a year for four years, four year bowl ban. That would create some pain for the program, but not hurt local businesses and others who had nothing to do with it.

 

[treychase]

So Trey, tell us what leYOU would do in this situation. You have criticized lack of action but not stated what you would do, that I have seen.

Death Penalty?? How many years?
Expelled from BIG ??
Sanctions??

And what legal basis would you use for your decision??

If PSU doesnt play football this Fall, what happens with new open date for Iowa??

There are many implications. The system moves slow, sometimes too slow, but it moves slowly for a reason. Heck, why hasnt that guy who did shooting in Colorado been put in electric chair already??

I would like the commissioner of the freaking conference to at the minimum, issue a statement acknowledging the situation. Any head of any organization does this. Its PR rule #1.

As for what I want to happen to PSU...I want them out of the B1G. After that they're the ncaa's & DOE's problem. I'm good with death penalty, good with scholarship reductions, I'm really good with any possible sanction anyone can come up with. The more the better, the harsher the better.

My legal basis is they had a coach raping kids
lol

 

[treychase]

I don't even have an idea on how I would punish them. Certainly a multi-year bowl ban and reduction in scholarships beyond what USC received. Don't think I'd sink the entire program, but make the bowl ban and schollie reduction serious enough that it sets them back several years....like 5 rides a year for four years, four year bowl ban. That would create some pain for the program, but not hurt local businesses and others who had nothing to do with it.

USC lost 30 schollys over 3 yrs, Jon.
So raping kids is worth 20 over 4yrs.

My goodness.

No disrespect but That is like spitting in the victims faces if you ask me.

 

[Bohawk]

I think the big difference in PSU and OSU/USC/etc is that PSU's crimes are actual crimes, punishable by law.

In all honesty, and this won't be popular, I'd probably let the law take it's course and be done with it. NCAA infractions get bowl bans, scholarship losses, etc. What PSU did will send the individuals responsible to prison, which is what we should all want.

I see these as very different scenarios due to the legal aspect.

 

[papathawki]

Exactly. Plus, Bert can bend the rules with the best of them so why would Barry advocate the death penalty in this situation?

Saw Alvarez at a local watering hole in the Des Moines area 6 or 7 years ago with Stoops and McCarney. They were all in town for a golf outing. Let's just say he likes to tip quite a few back and has quite the wandering eye. My opinion of him completely changed after that night.

I like to tip a few, but it doesn't give me a "wandering eye". Ya gotta have a wandering eye before you tip a few.

 

[dmackindm]

The Penn State case really illuminates the character of the people involved:

1. The NCAA has done nothing. They don't want to roll one of their big money institutions.
2. Delaney has done nothing. He doesn't want to kill the golden goose Penn State and their fifty million TV sets.
3. Barry Alvarez, frankly one of the sleaziest characters you will ever encounter in sports, doesn't see the difference between what Penn State did and what Ohio State did.
4. Penn State really has done nothing because they don't want to stop the football money machine from continuing to operate.

The constant here is money. College football has disintegrated into one thing: The pursuit of profit, at all cost. It isn't about the kids playing the game or their families. it is about the greenbacks.

It isn't that way at every level: Go attend a Division III football game some time. That is the way college football should be.

I love the Hawks, but I hate what Division I college football has become. Now we get complete whores like Saban telling us how to punish Penn State. Are you kidding me?

+5

 

[kuhntz]

The Penn State case really illuminates the character of the people involved:

1. The NCAA has done nothing. They don't want to roll one of their big money institutions.
2. Delaney has done nothing. He doesn't want to kill the golden goose Penn State and their fifty million TV sets.
3. Barry Alvarez, frankly one of the sleaziest characters you will ever encounter in sports, doesn't see the difference between what Penn State did and what Ohio State did.
4. Penn State really has done nothing because they don't want to stop the football money machine from continuing to operate.

The constant here is money. College football has disintegrated into one thing: The pursuit of profit, at all cost. It isn't about the kids playing the game or their families. it is about the greenbacks.

It isn't that way at every level: Go attend a Division III football game some time. That is the way college football should be.

I love the Hawks, but I hate what Division I college football has become. Now we get complete whores like Saban telling us how to punish Penn State. Are you kidding me?

I would like a knee-jerk reaction.
Honestly, this shiz aint tough to figure out.

Don't think I really need ANY other info than what we have right now.
PSU had a child rapist on its campus.
They hid that fact & enabled it to continue.

What facts out there are going to change that?

Knee-jerk?
pfffftt.

The B1G is too slow, just like always.

There are more criminal proceedings that need to continue to play out in this case. The criminal side of this needs to be addressed long before the athletic side.

 

[papathawki]

I would like the commissioner of the freaking conference to at the minimum, issue a statement acknowledging the situation. Any head of any organization does this. Its PR rule #1.

As for what I want to happen to PSU...I want them out of the B1G. After that they're the ncaa's & DOE's problem. I'm good with death penalty, good with scholarship reductions, I'm really good with any possible sanction anyone can come up with. The more the better, the harsher the better.

My legal basis is they had a coach raping kids
lol

You really didn't answer the questions.

So who does Iowa schedule if our games with PSU are cancelled: South Dakota State or South Dakota U?

 

[treychase]

You really didn't answer the questions.

So who does Iowa schedule if our games with PSU are cancelled: South Dakota State or South Dakota U?

I guess I consider it pretty unimportant who Iowa schedules that week in the grand scheme of things. Worrying about scheduling seems pretty lame to me.

 

[HawkeyesWin]

I wonder how much the Chadima situation plays into Barry's position on PSU.

 

[Scorpio79]

After careful consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that Barry Alvarez is an azzhole.

 

[ThunderHawk]

After careful consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that Barry Alvarez is an azzhole.

I came to that conclusion long ago after a conversation with peeps who knew him from Mason City.

Let's just say that the public persona and private persona run on parallel tracks and leave it at that.