all time leaders in B1G confernce wins

[Zstatman]

With the start of the season not too far away, below is a list of the Top 10 all time winningest coaches in B1G conference games.

Captain Kirk won't be passing JoPa this year but next year would be a reasonable expectation.

tenure Yrs G W L T W%
1 Amos Alonzo Stagg 1896 1932 37 Chicago 351 232 95 24 .695
2 Woody Hayes 1951 1978 28 Ohio State 276 205 61 10 .761
3 Bo Schembechler 1969 1989 21 Michigan 247 194 48 5 .796
4 Joe Paterno 1993 2011 19 Penn State 231 162 69 0 .701
5 Kirk Ferentz 1999 2019 21 Iowa 253 152 101 0 .601
6 Hayden Fry 1979 1998 20 Iowa 238 143 89 6 .613
7 Henry Williams 1900 1921 22 Minnesota 180 136 33 11 .786
8 Robert Zuppke 1913 1941 29 Illinois 224 131 81 12 .612 0
9 Lloyd Carr 1995 2007 13 Michigan 162 122 40 0 .753
10 Barry Alvarez 1990 2014 18 Wisconsin 197 118 75 4 .609

link to the full spreadsheet
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/coaches.html

 

[guffus]

I am confused. Is this Big Ten conference games only?

or total games coached while coaching at a Big Ten school, including both conference and non-conference games?

Because those numbers look like Kirk's overall numbers for Iowa, both conference and non-conference gsmes while at Iowa.

 

[Fryowa]

With the start of the season not too far away, below is a list of the Top 10 all time winningest coaches in B1G conference games.

Captain Kirk won't be passing JoPa this year but next year would be a reasonable expectation.

tenure Yrs G W L T W%
1 Amos Alonzo Stagg 1896 1932 37 Chicago 351 232 95 24 .695
2 Woody Hayes 1951 1978 28 Ohio State 276 205 61 10 .761
3 Bo Schembechler 1969 1989 21 Michigan 247 194 48 5 .796
4 Joe Paterno 1993 2011 19 Penn State 231 162 69 0 .701
5 Kirk Ferentz 1999 2019 21 Iowa 253 152 101 0 .601
6 Hayden Fry 1979 1998 20 Iowa 238 143 89 6 .613
7 Henry Williams 1900 1921 22 Minnesota 180 136 33 11 .786
8 Robert Zuppke 1913 1941 29 Illinois 224 131 81 12 .612 0
9 Lloyd Carr 1995 2007 13 Michigan 162 122 40 0 .753
10 Barry Alvarez 1990 2014 18 Wisconsin 197 118 75 4 .609

link to the full spreadsheet
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/coaches.html

You need to fix this post.

This is not Big Ten conference games.

This is the overall record (including non-cons) for coaches during their B1G tenures. And mentioning Paterno here is pretty skewed and way out of context. He had 409 wins total as PSU’s head coach vs 152 for KF, .749 vs .601 winning percentage. It just happened that they joined the Big Ten way late in his career. Paterno’s SOS over his career was way harder, and his non-con SOS was even harder yet when compared to Ferentz.

Look I get that Paterno is a slime ball, but if you’re trying to imply strictly in a coaching context that KF is anywhere near as successful as Paterno was, you’re way off base. Kirk would need more than an entire additional career, going almost undefeated in that next 25 years, to match Paterno’s success.

Again, I hate Parerno, but numbers are numbers.

 

[InGoodCo]

You need to fix this post.

This is not Big Ten conference games.

This is the overall record (including non-cons) for coaches during their B1G tenures. And mentioning Paterno here is pretty skewed and way out of context. He had 409 wins total as PSU’s head coach vs 152 for KF, .749 vs .601 winning percentage. It just happened that they joined the Big Ten way late in his career. Paterno’s SOS over his career was way harder, and his non-con SOS was even harder yet when compared to Ferentz.

Look I get that Paterno is a slime ball, but if you’re trying to imply strictly in a coaching context that KF is anywhere near as successful as Paterno was, you’re way off base. Kirk would need more than an entire additional career, going almost undefeated in that next 25 years, to match Paterno’s success.

Again, I hate Parerno, but numbers are numbers.

You're not wrong, but Paterno also cheated his way to get there - so context can go both ways.

 

[Fryowa]

You're not wrong, but Paterno also cheated his way to get there - so context can go both ways.

In no way am I defending Joe Paterno the person. I think he's a scumbag who should have been living in the cell right next to Sandusky, or better yet tied to a cinder block and dropped in the Susquehanna. Preying on kids or allowing them to be preyed on should be on the same level as capital murder.

But, I wouldn't say he cheated to get his winning record, unless you consider the sex scandal to be cheating somehow as it relates to Sandusky. I would however agree with the possibility that had Paterno turned Sandusky in at the time these things happened, it might have had a detrimental effect to the program and hindered recruiting, led to sanctions etc.

 

[InGoodCo]

In no way am I defending Joe Paterno the person. I think he's a scumbag who should have been living in the cell right next to Sandusky, or better yet tied to a cinder block and dropped in the Susquehanna. Preying on kids or allowing them to be preyed on should be on the same level as capital murder.

But, I wouldn't say he cheated to get his winning record, unless you consider the sex scandal to be cheating somehow as it relates to Sandusky. I would however agree with the possibility that had Paterno turned Sandusky in at the time these things happened, it might have had a detrimental effect to the program and hindered recruiting, led to sanctions etc.

bingo - covering up crime to protect your brand is absolutely cheating. It's probably cheating at its highest form.

 

[Fryowa]

bingo - covering up crime to protect your brand is absolutely cheating. It's probably cheating at its highest form.

Won't disagree that it's despicable, but in this case the effects it actually had on the program are debatable. It's a pretty good example of a cause-in-fact argument and I don't think you could make a case that would pass the "but, for" test.

One could also make the argument that had Paterno stamped it out right away like he should have and sent Sandusky to the big house, that he would have been seen as a morally upstanding guy and possibly even strengthened his program and reputation.

I don't think it's as easy to tie the football performance to what he did (or didn't do) off the field.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Bo Schembechler's .796 is impressive, especially when you consider the fact that Michigan frequently played Notre Dame when they national championship contenders and frequently played Texas schools from the old Southwest Conference. His winning percentage is actually substantially higher that his mentor Woody Hayes.

 

[NCHawker]

You're not wrong, but Paterno also cheated his way to get there - so context can go both ways.

how did he cheat?

 

[PCHawk]

Some people need to learn how to refer to Paterno in the past tense.

 

[InGoodCo]

Either you're a cheater or you're not. Sure, some violations are bigger than others, but IMO, Joe was one of the biggest cheats the game's ever seen. That's my opinion anyways and I am not really taking the deplorable things he did into consideration. His cheating resided for decades, was covered up over and over for the sake of the brand.

Giving a star recruit a car to come to Iowa to play is giving Iowa an improper advantage. It's against the rules and the law. Turning a blind eye to a sexual predator at Penn State so big star recruits keep funneling in is an improper advantage. It's against the rules and the law.

You could say "well, HAD he turned them in, things would have been just fine for PSU" - you don't know that. You could say "well, Iowa would have got that kid without the car" - you don't know that either.

It was cheating - period. Covering up lies, scandal, improper benefits, kid rapist - it's all cheating in my book. Now, it's not deflating footballs or using PED's and I'd never argue that, but it's cheating in my book, period and the length that he cheated makes it even worse.

 

[uihawk82]

Won't disagree that it's despicable, but in this case the effects it actually had on the program are debatable. It's a pretty good example of a cause-in-fact argument and I don't think you could make a case that would pass the "but, for" test.

One could also make the argument that had Paterno stamped it out right away like he should have and sent Sandusky to the big house, that he would have been seen as a morally upstanding guy and possibly even strengthened his program and reputation.

I don't think it's as easy to tie the football performance to what he did (or didn't do) off the field.

I think the attitude of Penal State U's fans and administration after sandusky's arrest and paterno and others complicity prove FryIowa's point. those psu people don't give a shit except for having a big time football program. psu bounced back very quickly from sanctions and Jezzus the ncaa and maybe big 10 iirc even recinded some sanctions.

I would much rather have Notre dame than psu even though Kelly is not high on my list.

Notre dame, Pitt, and Oklahoma instead of the 3 eastern most teams

 

[NCHawker]

Did Joe give a kid a car? I didn't read about that anywhere.

 

[InGoodCo]

Did Joe give a kid a car? I didn't read about that anywhere.

I work in safety for a trucking company. Every day a driver has 11 hours to drive. Let's say there is a driver who routinely drives 11.5 hours instead. He does it 5 times a week. He is cheating on his logs and while a half hour doesn't seem so bad, it's actually terrible in the eyes of DOT. Now, he's a cheater, it's bad, he needs to stop. My job as director is to make sure he does and if he doesn't, I need to make sure he's fired and that other trucking companies out there in the world know about him. If I chose to ignore that for 30 years because man, I really like the guy and if we lose him, it will hurt us because we need drivers. We're short 10 drivers every day. This guy actually makes us a TON of money, without him, it hurts our bottom line BIG time.

DOT would consider me the real cheater and in fact, I would imagine that my fine and punishment would be much higher than that the driver who was violating every day by driving 11.5 hours instead of 11 hours.

If you refuse to turn in a guy who rapes kids because you think it might put a spoke in the wheel of your college football program, that is cheating. Joe was a cheater - plain and simple. Which is why I said, he cheated.

 

[homes]

Paterno's stats are from Penn State's days in the Big Ten. The NCAA took away 111 of his wins starting in 1998, then re-instated them. It doesn't really matter; it's just a number, people's opinion of him won't change. He was a good coach, and he didn't need Sandusky to be successful, plenty of qualified D coordinators would have lined up for that job.

Kirk will eventually pass him, if not this year, then next. He needs 43 to pass Bo. Do you think he'll stick around long enough to get there?

 

[HawkGold]

In no way am I defending Joe Paterno the person. I think he's a scumbag who should have been living in the cell right next to Sandusky, or better yet tied to a cinder block and dropped in the Susquehanna. Preying on kids or allowing them to be preyed on should be on the same level as capital murder.

But, I wouldn't say he cheated to get his winning record, unless you consider the sex scandal to be cheating somehow as it relates to Sandusky. I would however agree with the possibility that had Paterno turned Sandusky in at the time these things happened, it might have had a detrimental effect to the program and hindered recruiting, led to sanctions etc.

Won't disagree that it's despicable, but in this case the effects it actually had on the program are debatable. It's a pretty good example of a cause-in-fact argument and I don't think you could make a case that would pass the "but, for" test.

One could also make the argument that had Paterno stamped it out right away like he should have and sent Sandusky to the big house, that he would have been seen as a morally upstanding guy and possibly even strengthened his program and reputation.

I don't think it's as easy to tie the football performance to what he did (or didn't do) off the field.

Creating and feeding the cult was beneficial to the program and was a contributing factor in crminal activity.

So yes he cheated. He created an illegal atmosphere. That is cheating.

If you read the full situation there is question about some of Joe s involment in activities that could be construed as contributing or not discouraging as well.

The guy had serious issues. Minimally he had narcissistic tendencies.

 

[Xerxes]

For anyone who is looking for strictly B1G conference wins, here is the top 5

Hayes 152
Bo 143
Stagg 115
Fry 96
Ferentz 91

If Kirk coaches 5 more years there is a good chance he ends up 3rd on this list.

 

[CP87]

For anyone who is looking for strictly B1G conference wins, here is the top 5

Hayes 152
Bo 143
Stagg 115
Fry 96
Ferentz 91

If Kirk coaches 5 more years there is a good chance he ends up 3rd on this list.

And with by far the lowest win %. I love KF, but that needs to be pointed out. His legacy is sustained very goodness and longevity, with a few sprinkles of excellence in there.

 

[ChosenChildren]

With the start of the season not too far away, below is a list of the Top 10 all time winningest coaches in B1G conference games.

Captain Kirk won't be passing JoPa this year but next year would be a reasonable expectation.

tenure Yrs G W L T W%
1 Amos Alonzo Stagg 1896 1932 37 Chicago 351 232 95 24 .695
2 Woody Hayes 1951 1978 28 Ohio State 276 205 61 10 .761
3 Bo Schembechler 1969 1989 21 Michigan 247 194 48 5 .796
4 Joe Paterno 1993 2011 19 Penn State 231 162 69 0 .701
5 Kirk Ferentz 1999 2019 21 Iowa 253 152 101 0 .601
6 Hayden Fry 1979 1998 20 Iowa 238 143 89 6 .613
7 Henry Williams 1900 1921 22 Minnesota 180 136 33 11 .786
8 Robert Zuppke 1913 1941 29 Illinois 224 131 81 12 .612 0
9 Lloyd Carr 1995 2007 13 Michigan 162 122 40 0 .753
10 Barry Alvarez 1990 2014 18 Wisconsin 197 118 75 4 .609

link to the full spreadsheet
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/coaches.html

I think that the most interesting stat is the fact that Hayden and Kirk combined have coached at Iowa for 40 consecutive seasons. Here are their COMBINED accomplishments:

1. Wins: 295
2. Bowl Wins: 14
3. Big Titles: 5
4. Big West Titles: 1
5. Rose Bowls: 4
6. Orange Bowls: 2
7. Average Wins per year: 7.37
8. Combined overall win percentage: >60%

That is a great run for Iowa.

 

[homes]

And with by far the lowest win %. I love KF, but that needs to be pointed out. His legacy is sustained very goodness and longevity, with a few sprinkles of excellence in there.

It should also be pointed out that there are 40 years of sustained "very goodness" on this list. And that ain't so bad.