AJ talks spring practice, QB camp, opens recruiting

[cmhawks99]

Yes, this is also what I gathered from the article. I don't think Derby was in any way trying to take a jab at the Iowa staff at all. I think he was honestly just reacting to all coaching that he apparently hasn't been receiving during his "collegiate career" that he is now receiving.

I find it hard to believe that he hasn't made the effort until now to work with coaches on his development as a QB. In fact, I remember reading about how much work he was putting into his development as a QB. Maybe that was all just BS, but I highly doubt it.

Of course you highly doubt it….it’s not what you “want” to be true….Psychology 101. This is also rudimentary psychology. He was saying “he” has relied on his athleticism in the past, but with some extensive training (that’s ALL he was there for) he has “realized” the importance of mechanics AND the art of “Quarterbacking”!

He, stressing HE had not put the overall mind set He…again HE should have in focusing on that and then “embracing the training. Annnndddddd after all there weren’t 100 plus other kids there learning DIFFERENT positions…..

Hopefully this will clear up the confusion....

 

[hawkfan2679]

Seems odd the staff would have moved him even with or ahead of Weinke last year if he wasn't putting in the time...

Maybe that's an indictment on Weinke, although that's somewhat hard to believe as I think he was an Elite 11 guy coming out of HS...

 

[tksirius]

Of course you highly doubt it….it’s not what you “want†to be true….Psychology 101. This is also rudimentary psychology. He was saying “he†has relied on his athleticism in the past, but with some extensive training (that’s ALL he was there for) he has “realized†the importance of mechanics AND the art of “Quarterbackingâ€!

He, stressing HE had not put the overall mind set He…again HE should have in focusing on that and then “embracing the training. Annnndddddd after all there weren’t 100 plus other kids there learning DIFFERENT positions…..

Hopefully this will clear up the confusion....

Sorry, I don't think I should be having a discussion with a Psycho. Have a nice day trying to clear up your confusion.
Psych 101 LOL

 

[jo12208]

On another website he said recently that he came to Iowa basically because of his father and brother were Hawks and that it wasn't a good fit.

There are so many websites I can't remember the name.

 

[JHHawk]

Sounds like your typical young college student to me. Goes to the school his dad and brother went to,for reasons that might not have been his own. Gets in trouble.
Is contrite,and tries to make points by helping out at lber,but all the time wants to scratch that QB itch. Knows that he will only get one shot at Iowa,with no playing time before his junior year,with tough competition even then. So,he bolts to where he can play immediately,and test his notion that he is a QB.

All makes sense to me. I wish him luck,unless he plays against Iowa someday.

 

[cmhawks99]

Sorry, I don't think I should be having a discussion with a Psycho. Have a nice day trying to clear up your confusion.
Psych 101 LOL

Oh yes this was a good follow.....when clearly out flanked, resort to...ah...nothing.....

 

[cmhawks99]

Sounds like your typical young college student to me. Goes to the school his dad and brother went to,for reasons that might not have been his own. Gets in trouble.
Is contrite,and tries to make points by helping out at lber,but all the time wants to scratch that QB itch. Knows that he will only get one shot at Iowa,with no playing time before his junior year,with tough competition even then. So,he bolts to where he can play immediately,and test his notion that he is a QB.

All makes sense to me. I wish him luck,unless he plays against Iowa someday.

Yes, this is spot on and doesn't make him a bad kid or even a bad QB....many, many, many kids have been asked to switch, didn't and proved to be solid QB's...with that said, even more have switched and starred at a more natural position.

Doesnt reflect negatively on anyone....

 

[cmhawks99]

Seems odd the staff would have moved him even with or ahead of Weinke last year if he wasn't putting in the time...

Maybe that's an indictment on Weinke, although that's somewhat hard to believe as I think he was an Elite 11 guy coming out of HS...

John Weinke has been a good Hawkeye, but you've watched him throw too.....Jake C was an elite 11 QB as well. So we now have an elite 11 QB who put in his time (kudos to him) that has moved to punter as a SR. because he doesn't even appear to be 3rd team even after Derby left.

Working hard and putting in the "time" isn't the same as "buying" in! That’s a whole different level of focus and commitment and quite frankly what this team has missed on some levels.

 

[hawkfan2679]

John Weinke has been a good Hawkeye, but you've watched him throw too.....Jake C was an elite 11 QB as well. So we now have an elite 11 QB who put in his time (kudos to him) that has moved to punter as a SR. because he doesn't even appear to be 3rd team even after Derby left.

Working hard and putting in the "time" isn't the same as "buying" in! That’s a whole different level of focus and commitment and quite frankly what this team has missed on some levels.

Touche on the Weinke point...that's why I added that it might as well just be an indictment on Weinke more than anything.

On the working hard vs. buying in, that's a bit of a semantics argument there. Whether you call it buying in, working hard, or putting in the time, for whatever reason Derby had been moved to the backup QB spot. I find it hard to believe the staff would do that with a kid if they had doubts about him buying in. QB is the leader of the football team, or at the very least the offense...if that guy doesn't buy in, you are asking for major problems.

 

[cmhawks99]

Touche on the Weinke point...that's why I added that it might as well just be an indictment on Weinke more than anything.

On the working hard vs. buying in, that's a bit of a semantics argument there. Whether you call it buying in, working hard, or putting in the time, for whatever reason Derby had been moved to the backup QB spot. I find it hard to believe the staff would do that with a kid if they had doubts about him buying in. QB is the leader of the football team, or at the very least the offense...if that guy doesn't buy in, you are asking for major problems.

Ill use a real life example…..I have some really talented guys that work for me. All hard workers, who are here, put in their time and on many levels are exemplary employees, they are also hard headed, stubborn and resistant too being lead or encouraged to do it a “better” way…wouldn’t be hard at all for Derby to work hard, pass Weinke and still not believe he “really” needed to fix his mechanics or footwork, or, or, or……Mike Vick is a perfect example of this. Andy Reid deserves kudos for sure, but Vick himself has indicated he has approached it with a more open mind to teaching.

I too can be an example above the above…..I rarely miss work, am well thought of, stay late, work hard and have ability. But I also can get sidetracked while at work, not working as hard as I could be or should be……we are ALL examples of this, so no I don’t agree its semantics at all.

 

[hawkfan2679]

Ill use a real life example…..I have some really talented guys that work for me. All hard workers, who are here, put in their time and on many levels are exemplary employees, they are also hard headed, stubborn and resistant too being lead or encouraged to do it a “better†way…wouldn’t be hard at all for Derby to work hard, pass Weinke and still not believe he “really†needed to fix his mechanics or footwork, or, or, or……Mike Vick is a perfect example of this. Andy Reid deserves kudos for sure, but Vick himself has indicated he has approached it with a more open mind to teaching.

I too can be an example above the above…..I rarely miss work, am well thought of, stay late, work hard and have ability. But I also can get sidetracked while at work, not working as hard as I could be or should be……we are ALL examples of this, so no I don’t agree its semantics at all.

Vick is a good example, but he's got elite talent that the QB position has never seen. He's a guy you change an entire offense for...if AJ came to Iowa to have the offense changed to his liking, he definitely came to the wrong place. Even still, he was one good hit or planted cleat away from being our starting QB as a RS freshman last year.

To some extent it's a two way street though...he said he wasn't spending enough time working mechanics and fundamentals. There are indy periods where coaches work that stuff. Was he just going through the motions? Shouldn't the coach be pressing to make sure that stuff gets taken care of? If a coach could tell he wasn't buying in, isn't it incumbent on someone on the staff to tell him to jump on board or get left behind? And instead their response is to give him the keys to the car in the event of an injury?

It just seems odd...

 

[tksirius]

Oh yes this was a good follow.....when clearly out flanked, resort to...ah...nothing.....

Yes, I followed with nothing. Hard to follow nothing with something. Have you sorted out all your confusion yet?

 

[tksirius]

Ill use a real life example…..I have some really talented guys that work for me. All hard workers, who are here, put in their time and on many levels are exemplary employees, they are also hard headed, stubborn and resistant too being lead or encouraged to do it a “better†way…wouldn’t be hard at all for Derby to work hard, pass Weinke and still not believe he “really†needed to fix his mechanics or footwork, or, or, or……Mike Vick is a perfect example of this. Andy Reid deserves kudos for sure, but Vick himself has indicated he has approached it with a more open mind to teaching.

I too can be an example above the above…..I rarely miss work, am well thought of, stay late, work hard and have ability. But I also can get sidetracked while at work, not working as hard as I could be or should be……we are ALL examples of this, so no I don’t agree its semantics at all.

So, by your own admission, we can all be less productive and less focused at times. Kinda defeats the argument that AJ didn't make the effort to succeed at QB, doesn't it?

 

[cmhawks99]

Vick is a good example, but he's got elite talent that the QB position has never seen. He's a guy you change an entire offense for...if AJ came to Iowa to have the offense changed to his liking, he definitely came to the wrong place. Even still, he was one good hit or planted cleat away from being our starting QB as a RS freshman last year.

To some extent it's a two way street though...he said he wasn't spending enough time working mechanics and fundamentals. There are indy periods where coaches work that stuff. Was he just going through the motions? Shouldn't the coach be pressing to make sure that stuff gets taken care of? If a coach could tell he wasn't buying in, isn't it incumbent on someone on the staff to tell him to jump on board or get left behind? And instead their response is to give him the keys to the car in the event of an injury?

It just seems odd...

With all due respect and I mean that, ur being civil and it’s a good discussion. It seems odd to you because everywhere you look you want to find examples to prove your feeling that our couches sucked. U might try to say the reverse of me, but that would be an over simplistic approach to what I am.

Yes I think the coaches have been ok, stressing “ok” buT they could also improve. But I’m not here for their defense. Ive heard so many fans complain about their coaches sucking I’m almost dead to it….clearly it’s a tuff job, if NONE of them are above regular criticism, so really its become tired.

My prevailing thought is I’ve seen this 100’s of times in my lifetime leading men and women and watching others do the same. And those who wave their hand and say, well the coaches would have or should have seen this and therefore did this…..to that I say………….

Ppffffttttttt….sounds easy, try it!! I’m leading children and men and you don’t just call them out, move them because they aren’t leading well, or any other manner of “easy” fix those on the sidelines see……


That and that alone is why I ever debate the critic..

 

[cmhawks99]

So, by your own admission, we can all be less productive and less focused at times. Kinda defeats the argument that AJ didn't make the effort to succeed at QB, doesn't it?

Sorry friend....your efforts just aren't good. If you say something worth while, like the Hawkfan, I'll engage.

 

[hawkfan2679]

With all due respect and I mean that, ur being civil and it’s a good discussion. It seems odd to you because everywhere you look you want to find examples to prove your feeling that our couches sucked. U might try to say the reverse of me, but that would be an over simplistic approach to what I am.

Yes I think the coaches have been ok, stressing “ok†buT they could also improve. But I’m not here for their defense. Ive heard so many fans complain about their coaches sucking I’m almost dead to it….clearly it’s a tuff job, if NONE of them are above regular criticism, so really its become tired.

My prevailing thought is I’ve seen this 100’s of times in my lifetime leading men and women and watching others do the same. And those who wave their hand and say, well the coaches would have or should have seen this and therefore did this…..to that I say………….

Ppffffttttttt….sounds easy, try it!! I’m leading children and men and you don’t just call them out, move them because they aren’t leading well, or any other manner of “easy†fix those on the sidelines see……


That and that alone is why I ever debate the critic..

I'm not trying to bash the coaches on this one. Something just isn't adding up...

* Legacy recruit comes in as a QB but is gifted enough to play multiple positions
* Apparently does enough for the coaches to put him into backup QB spot
* He says he wasn't putting in the time with mechanics (he should have been receiving same time as other QB's, as there are limitations on how much time coaches can spend with players per week, IIRC)

I don't want to jump to conclusions to say that he wasn't receiving the teaching or that what he was being taught was poor...I'm left with unanswered questions I guess.

And to your other point...I actually have tried it. Not at the D1 level, naturally, but I've coached for the last 10 years at various age levels. That's why in some threads/posts (not so much this one) I feel like the decisions being made in live action on Saturday are so baffling...to a lesser extent I have some experience dealing in those situations, but with far less on the line!

 

[tksirius]

Sorry friend....your efforts just aren't good. If you say something worth while, like the Hawkfan, I'll engage.

LOL. My efforts don't have to be "good." You're defeating your own argument.

 

[cmhawks99]

I'm not trying to bash the coaches on this one. Something just isn't adding up...

* Legacy recruit comes in as a QB but is gifted enough to play multiple positions
* Apparently does enough for the coaches to put him into backup QB spot
* He says he wasn't putting in the time with mechanics (he should have been receiving same time as other QB's, as there are limitations on how much time coaches can spend with players per week, IIRC)

I don't want to jump to conclusions to say that he wasn't receiving the teaching or that what he was being taught was poor...I'm left with unanswered questions I guess.

And to your other point...I actually have tried it. Not at the D1 level, naturally, but I've coached for the last 10 years at various age levels. That's why in some threads/posts (not so much this one) I feel like the decisions being made in live action on Saturday are so baffling...to a lesser extent I have some experience dealing in those situations, but with far less on the line!

Weeellllllll….I genuinely have understood and even appreciated your view and perspective. However, in my experience, how we view, “things” or life or in this case the state of the football program very much clouds the prism from which we see. I do see why you would question but for me I see…..

A kid/athlete, most programs wanted but only a few for QB.

Comes in likely under the premise of getting a long legitimate look at QB. Is getting groomed, but 2nd team reps are not at all like 1st team reps and other game planning. Coaches do only have limited time, and they are clearly more focused on the present, that’s a fact. Suddenly (maybe pressure from the old Lber at home) he changes positions…..now rejuvenated, out of the shadow and getting a last shot, he is taking to the coaching and he may indeed be getting more focused even better tutelage, or maybe he just “gets” the approach better, who knows??

It really doesn’t have to be an indictment of ANYONE, even him really….life is a process, but so often on here in particular, someone has to pay the piper. Frankly it gets old. Yes we have underperformed of late, but it’s not all on one thing or for one reason….

And although I think it’s cool you have been coaching, because it is soooo needed at the youth level, I didn’t just mean sports. I mean leading people period. Knowing how to call them out, teach them, lead them, change them is a very, very, very difficult one size does NOT fit all task and for anyone to stand at the side and criticize is very grating to me. Critique, I relish, but not finger pointing, you screwed up criticizing.

Do you see where I’m coming from?

 

[cmhawks99]

LOL. My efforts don't have to be "good." You're defeating your own argument.

I don't think I’d be misspeaking when I said, even those in here that would share your argument, don’t think you are on to anything? Honestly, you aren’t even on the grid. I think I know what you are trying to do. A simple attempt at contradiction and word play, but it is so far off I can’t even grasp a logical way to point it out.

If you can get someone to agree with you and make a more cogent attempt at what you think is contradictory, I’ll revisit it, but until then you’re are wet friend.

 

[tksirius]

I don't think I’d be misspeaking when I said, even those in here that would share your argument, don’t think you are on to anything? Honestly, you aren’t even on the grid. I think I know what you are trying to do. A simple attempt at contradiction and word play, but it is so far off I can’t even grasp a logical way to point it out.

If you can get someone to agree with you and make a more cogent attempt at what you think is contradictory, I’ll revisit it, but until then you’re are wet friend.

Psych 101