2020 could be fugly

[HawkleberryFinn]

Especially in the trenches:

O-Line loss: Wirfs, probably Jackson

D-Line loss: Epenesa, Lattimore, Reif, Golston?

QB: Stanley--not worried so much here

DB: Ojemudia

Andy possible breakout stars: Geno Stone

 

[Lumberman]

Agree with the premise we will lose some excellent and experienced starters.

On OL, however, both of those guys were out in the first game this year and the young pups performed very well.

On DL, we should have ZVV, Shannon and Nixon and whoever emerges this year amongst Waggoner, Logan Lee, Duwa, Nathan Nelson, and Schulte.

I am really excited about TJ McCall. One year of being Doyled and some coaching and turn him loose at DE. Chris Reames reminds me a lot of Anthony Nelson, and he was pretty good by his RSFR year. Maybe Karchinski steps up. Maybe we get a grad transfer, who knows?! Jalen Hunt looks the part but we’ll see how he does once he gets here.

There should be no worries at QB, TE and LB and DB. Looks to me like we are loaded at each of those positions. I think OL will be fine with the emergence of these 4 talented Freshmen coming in along with Plumb, Jenkins, Ince, Coy Kirkpatrick and whichever walk-on that always seems to emerge. MK, Linderbaum And Banwart is a pretty good, young nucleus...

 

[BVHawk95]

I think people really underestimate the depth and talent we're stockpiling on the OL. Kallenberger, Jenkins, Linderbaum, Miller, Endres, Britt, Plumb, Fenske, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, plus whoever we add in the '20 class. Not to mention even Kirk's "bad" lines are still average by most standards.

Also, turnover is a huge part of CFB. Worrying about departures every season is both tiresome and only looking at the negatives.

 

[BVHawk95]

Especially in the trenches:

O-Line loss: Wirfs, probably Jackson

D-Line loss: Epenesa, Lattimore, Reif, Golston?

QB: Stanley--not worried so much here

DB: Ojemudia

Andy possible breakout stars: Geno Stone

I think Jackson is more likely to leave than Wirfs, though I don't know if either are "locks" to leave early.

AJ actually seemed hurt that people thought he put his name in to be evaluated this winter, and while I really like Wirfs, idk if he'll get the fanfare or hype to warrant leaving early.

 

[uihawk82]

Especially in the trenches:

O-Line loss: Wirfs, probably Jackson

D-Line loss: Epenesa, Lattimore, Reif, Golston?

QB: Stanley--not worried so much here

DB: Ojemudia

Andy possible breakout stars: Geno Stone

Why are we worried or talking about 2020. We are not out of 2019 spring ball yet. So much can change or happen. We could have a great 2019 season which carries over to 2020. or not , who knows.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I’m not convinced both those tackles go, but even if they did Kallenberger should be ready to slide out to one spot and I think Ezra will be as well. Would still have Barnwart and Linderbaum on the inside.

On the Dline if Nixon plays near our expectations this year i think will be in good shape. Nixon, Shannon, and Jalen Hunt on the inside. Likely Golston, Waggoner, ZVV, and Lee on the outside.

Not that concerned about either group really.

 

[HawkleberryFinn]

Golston will go pro if Noah Fant is right.

 

[BigD]

Does this mean we won’t win our seven games in 2020? What a tragedy.

 

[HawkleberryFinn]

Does this mean we won’t win our seven games in 2020? What a tragedy.

Whether we do or don’t Kirk is going to be paid a diarrhea load—that’s what matters. And go Fran! No sweet 16s in ten years.

 

[BigD]

Whether we do or don’t Kirk is going to be paid a diarrhea load—that’s what matters. And go Fran! No sweet 16s in ten years.

So sad really but until the fan base demands more little will ever change.

 

[racerhawk]

I think people really underestimate the depth and talent we're stockpiling on the OL. Kallenberger, Jenkins, Linderbaum, Miller, Endres, Britt, Plumb, Fenske, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, plus whoever we add in the '20 class. Not to mention even Kirk's "bad" lines are still average by most standards.

Also, turnover is a huge part of CFB. Worrying about departures every season is both tiresome and only looking at the negatives.

I agree. I actually have been pretty impressed with the overall consistency and depth in recruiting the last couple of years. I think the overall trajectory with recruiting is slightly improved, which should aid in consistency. We've had big losses before, only to have one or two year starters emerge who end up being drafted by the NFL.

 

[Stanzi]

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Wirfs and Jackson declare after this season. We're obviously a long ways from the 2020 draft, but I haven't seen anything that suggests either would be a 1st/2nd round pick.

 

[bitmap]

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QB: Stanley--not worried so much here
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Stanley has managed to break a trend that has been a KF era constant - in 2018 he won more games than in 2017 which was the year he earned the starting position outright. No other QB in the KF era has accomplished this feat. His stats were better except for TD/Int ratio. I hope he actually learned something @ PSU last year - both from his mistakes and from the example of competitiveness McSorely showed. If he can clean up the ints and make the same kind of incremental improvements across the board again I think we will be missing him in 2020.

 

[hawkinn3]

We have not had a losing record in 6 years and have lost some damn good players in that time so I’m confident the drop off won’t be too bad. I think we have some young guys with more talent than many of the starters. (This does not include AJ who is the best DE we’ll ever see at Iowa)

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

There is no doubt in my mind that the OL will be fine if Wirfs and Jackson leave after 2019. Think about it...we have pretty much gotten every OL we have targeted in the early signing over the past few years. That should tell you all you need to know. If Ezra Miller stays healthy and has a full year in the system...he's going to be mauling people after a year with Doyle. You can't teach natural size and athleticism...at 305 as a senior in HS...in 18 months he's going to be a 320lb monster.

There are so many young highly rated players in the mix now on the OL...Kallenberger looks like the real deal too...and another year in the system...and 15-20 more pounds...stud. He played really well against NIU last year in his only start. Linderbaum moving to center...that guy is a stud...and a great athlete...once again, if he stays healthy...he has a very very high ceiling.

I wouldn't count Linderbaum out starting at center this year.

On defense...once again...there are some really good recruits coming in. AJ and Lattimore obviously are gone...but we will have to see about Golston. Shannon and Nixon are young players so they probably aren't going anywhere. If Nixon has a blow up season, which would be great, I still don't know that he would enter the draft...as it's only one season. Waggoner sounds like he's the real deal to and will be in the rotation this year. Jones sounds like he's going to cause problems on the edge too. Give him a year to get technic and more size...holy crap I wouldn't want to block that dude. I honestly believe he's going to be scary on 2nd and long and 3rd and long when it's a 90% passing situation and he can just attack the QB.

Honestly, I think our recruiting classes over the past few years have been way underrated, especially on the OL.

 

[PCHawk]

So sad really but until the fan base demands more little will ever change.

So what do you suggest? Are you saying fans should bitch more on message boards? How can fans demand more, to the point where it actually makes a difference? Are you suggesting fans quit going to games? If so, you are suggesting fans quit enjoying something for a few years in a desperate attempt to HOPEFULLY get better in future years. That's a lot to give up on a gamble that will only maybe work out. What should someone like me do who rarely goes to games anyway? How can I demand success to the point where changes are made and we start winning more games? What happens if in a few years from now it actually works and we start winning more games? How long do we get to enjoy that new success befkre we have to start demanding even more success because we're bored with the next level we finally recently achieved?

 

[4thngoal]

"2020 could be fugly"
Yet 2020 could be glorious.
I agree that we have some talent that is waiting. That needs to go through Doyle and be coached up.
We also have a few rb's that could have amazing collegiate careers. I'm not so much worried about qb because we have talent and equally important they have been in the system for awhile. (Probably need to get them some pt this year. Not oh we are so far ahead let's go conservative pt. Mop up? Yes, but let them play the offense like they are the starter trying to win the game.)

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Especially in the trenches:

O-Line loss: Wirfs, probably Jackson

D-Line loss: Epenesa, Lattimore, Reif, Golston?

QB: Stanley--not worried so much here

DB: Ojemudia

Andy possible breakout stars: Geno Stone

An awful lot of development can happen in 1 season 2 full off seasons, and 1 additional recruiting cycle.

 

[The Big LeHAWKski]

Especially in the trenches:

O-Line loss: Wirfs, probably Jackson

D-Line loss: Epenesa, Lattimore, Reif, Golston?

QB: Stanley--not worried so much here

DB: Ojemudia

Andy possible breakout stars: Geno Stone

There's always a future star in the making somewhere on the sideline, just waiting for his chance to hit the field.
NEXT-MAN-IN!

 

[revkev73]

I am actually more concerned about whether Kirk is tired enough of getting schooled by Wisconsin to do something about it.

If as he says, we are equal programs, you kind of need to beat them once every 5-7 years or so.