2016 Incoming Class

BillSPrestonEsq

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Seems like we are recruiting hard and winning the battles against mostly FCS and MAC schools with a few Power 5 sprinkled in there...does that seem concerning to anyone? I just found it interesting that in Howe's article I didn't see us winning recruits from any real noteworthy programs...
 
Iowalaw was right, the system we are using just isn't working and the lack of talent shows on the field.
 
Seems like we are recruiting hard and winning the battles against mostly FCS and MAC schools with a few Power 5 sprinkled in there...does that seem concerning to anyone? I just found it interesting that in Howe's article I didn't see us winning recruits from any real noteworthy programs...


If you mean can Iowa win with players like these?

CJ - 3* kind with only other P5 offer of Ole Miss
Canzeri - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Wadley - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Meyers - Walk on
Croston - Walk on
Beottger - 3* no other P5 offers
Kittle - 3* kid with only mid major offers
Kreiger-Coble - 3* kid with ISU & mid major offers
Meier - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Hesse - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Bazatta - 3* kid with only mid major offers
Jewell - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Niemann - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Fischer - 3* kid with only Kansas offer
King - 3* kid with Indiana & mid major offers

Doesn't concern me at all that we might have some players like this on our team.
 
* Have we often put more effort into targets that we are more likely to land vs. going head to head with numerous powers?.........yes

* Have we been a laggard in getting up to speed with others in building recruiting resources?.......yes

* Has our on the field success in recent years (2010-2014) hampered our recruiting?......yes

* Have we made some infrastructure / staffing / marketing changes in the last year or so to improve?......yes

* Can we do better?......yes................Should we set the bar higher for 2017 candidates? .......yes
 
As far as talent goes this class is about average for Kirk's time at Iowa. A lot of these recruits committed early and then shut down their recruiting (i.e. stopped making visits, didn't attend camps, and I am assuming didn't respond to communication from prospective coaches) which affected the number of power five offers. Nate Stanley would have assuredly garnered other offers had he not shut down his recruiting, to name one prospect.

If there is cause for concern, it is that this class is so big that of there were to be a systemic issue with our recruiting philosophy, this year's class will hurt for years to come. Like I said, though, I think this class is pretty average for Kirk's time and will turn out just fine. Nice to see some prospects from NJ with the B1G's push eastward.

2017 can be a top 30 class, and the Hawks' biggest recruiting pitch will come on the field this fall. Winning begets recruiting success for a program without a natural recruiting base (from geographic location or tradition).
 
First off the payoff from this 2015 season will occur in the HS class of 2017, not this year. Since many players commit very early in the process now, the college football season won't have too much influence on their decisions barring coaching changes.

Second, some of you act like it should be easy to recruit to Iowa. Yes we spent more money in facilities and they are nice, but almost anybody who is anybody in college football has nice facilities now. Aside from that, you are still competing with some of the same disadvantages, mainly location.

Growing up in Iowa, if I had been a 4-5 star recruit (big if) I would have definitely committed to the home town team I had grown up rooting for especially since I hadn't been very well traveled. Now if I had taken visits to some different and perhaps warmer weather locations, I could have been swayed looking back on it. I lived in Tucson, AZ for over 6 years and it is by no means a jewel. With that said, go to a U of A pool party and it might be something I'd want to be a part of as opposed to walking to class November-March in the Midwest. And I'm not even going to get into what the ASU life is like. Now if I was an out of state prospect that didn't grow up rooting for Iowa, that's one less thing Iowa has in their tool box to recruit me. All things being equal or close to equal, I could be swayed to choose a program like Arizona or Arizona State because of their locations and they aren't even powerhouse football schools.

On a similar note, I remember the 30 for 30 about Bill McIntyre at Colorado. He said he loved recruiting against Nebraska. Give him a chance to show a kid Boulder after they've seen Lincoln and he can get them to flip.

In the end, I'm excited for the guys Iowa got and hope they contribute well to the program.
 
This is a very strong recruiting class. They got mostly the players that they wanted and got commitments early. Players that commit early are seen less in the recruiting process and are often times better than other players with more stars.
 
Seems like we are recruiting hard and winning the battles against mostly FCS and MAC schools with a few Power 5 sprinkled in there...does that seem concerning to anyone? I just found it interesting that in Howe's article I didn't see us winning recruits from any real noteworthy programs...
Same ol', same ol'.
 
Generally, I think Mandel is a very average sports writer, which puts him in the upper 5% in his profession. When I read an article, whether its politics, sports, fishing, foreign affairs, or investments, I first scroll down to see what position the writer holds. Then I am prepared to make some judgments about the accuracy/credibility of the piece I am reading. In Mandel's case, its in his best interest to champion the credibility of those in his profession, including himself, of course.

The first conclusion I would draw from this article is that Iowa must have the best coaches in the nation. If we can win as much as we have, even in some of the down years, with the "quality" of players we have, then KF and his staff deserve high praise.

Secondly, if we pin down players early, many of whom were not rated highly (read, undiscovered) early on, the chances that we will see Iowa recruits receive high ratings and the accompanying attention, are slim/none. In short, how many times do we see recruits' rankings become upward mobile when they get offered by the big guys on the football market? And, interestingly, I notice that teams ratings on the recruiting placements, are based on the raw number of recruits they sign...see a problem here? Think about it.

Finally, what percentage of high school players who are rated by the various pundits, are ready for action in power 5 conference schools as freshmen? Think of it this way: How many 17-18 year olds are physically, let alone mentally,(Read, mature) enough to compete with young men who are in their early twenties? Read up on the maturation tables that human beings go through (especially males) between the teens and the twenties. Watch pro football for evidence.

So, I would not completely dismiss star ratings. Yes, Mandel has some interesting, though unsubstantiated data, to support his position. But come on guys...throw some logic into the melting pot that does not just accept the bias inherent in Mandel's conclusions. Acceptance of the variables that are present in these predictions would be a good place to start.
 
Well played sir. Well played.

Depends on your definition of "working". Perhaps the peak and valley cycle would be shorter and less frequent with better recruits.

Seriously... getting recruits over Ball St, Eastern Michigan, etc is hardly leveraging your equity. That's the level where programs like Purdue and Rutgers should be competing. But it is the "safe" way to play, and we should be comfortable with that approach by now. Right?
 
Depends on your definition of "working". Perhaps the peak and valley cycle would be shorter and less frequent with better recruits.

Seriously... getting recruits over Ball St, Eastern Michigan, etc is hardly leveraging your equity. That's the level where programs like Purdue and Rutgers should be competing. But it is the "safe" way to play, and we should be comfortable with that approach by now. Right?

Are we on the same level as Purdue or Rutgers?

Recruiting can be better, sure. Wouldn't say I've ever really been comfortable with recruiting. But I don't believe it's a matter of being "safe".

Recruiting debate on where we "should" be has been going since well before Hayden, and will be long after Kirk.
 
This is a very strong recruiting class. They got mostly the players that they wanted and got commitments early. Players that commit early are seen less in the recruiting process and are often times better than other players with more stars*.

[*citation needed]
 
Our 2016 class is a top 35 class and one of the highest rated classes we've had in a while. I'm pretty excited about the incoming class
 
If you mean can Iowa win with players like these?

CJ - 3* kind with only other P5 offer of Ole Miss
Canzeri - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Wadley - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Meyers - Walk on
Croston - Walk on
Beottger - 3* no other P5 offers
Kittle - 3* kid with only mid major offers
Kreiger-Coble - 3* kid with ISU & mid major offers
Meier - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Hesse - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Bazatta - 3* kid with only mid major offers
Jewell - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Niemann - 2* kid with only mid major offers
Fischer - 3* kid with only Kansas offer
King - 3* kid with Indiana & mid major offers

Doesn't concern me at all that we might have some players like this on our team.


Just imagine how good Iowa would be with 3 and 4* recruits
 
Just imagine how good Iowa would be with 3 and 4* recruits

Here is the dirty little secret. Those were 3* and 4* commits that were mis evaluated by Rivals. They were not mis evaluated by the Hawkeye staff.

The Hawkeye coaches are great at teaching technique and developing kids. They can not give them more talent tho, and the bigger point is these kids were always better recruits than they were rated. That is why I don't care when Iowa offers kids that others haven't, as they are way better at spotting talent than 95% of college staffs out there, and 110% better than some rivals/scout/247/espn dude who ranks them.
 
Great Moments in Hawkeye Recruiting History, part seven:

The infamous top-10 recruiting class after the Tate to Halloway catch and KF triumphantly shaking hands with a defeated and upset and totally spent Nick Saban. Look at the class, its full of stars. Then a couple years later half of them are gone or injured, some of them were "fools gold" four stars who should never have been ranked so high. Expectations exploding through the roof, new quarterbacks says he wants to win a championship at Iowa. Then there were the handful of guys like Moeaki who lived up to the hype and had one great season.
 
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