2012-13 two deeps
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HawkForce
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No joke disgusting that people are willing to.throw this season away....
We got it. You're the greatest fan ever and only your opinion counts.Jesus,give it a rest.
just tired of people stating things as fact, i have no problem with opinions. just have no time for people that state he won't play a certain position as if it was a fact, also with that roster him being called on to play 3 positions is not as great as it is this year
not to mention the fans that jump off the band wagon when they lose a game then jump back on after a win. either you are on for the long run or just get off and find another team that wins alot more than Iowa at this time and don't come back when this teams starts to win more than they lose
not to mention the fans that jump off the band wagon when they lose a game then jump back on after a win. either you are on for the long run or just get off and find another team that wins alot more than Iowa at this time and don't come back when this teams starts to win more than they lose
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Who the hell are you to tell people what kind of fan they should be.?
Here's a newsflash- Teams have a wide array of fans:Kool-aid drinkers like yourself, delusional fans, negative ones, and even band wagon fans. This is nothing new....deal with it.
sportstalent
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Yeah, Marble is a GREAT 3pt shooter, look at his stats for career, not a few games:
Roy Devyn Marble Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Iowa Hawkeyes - ESPN
I really like Marble as a player, he needs to get stronger and use the practice facility to shoot 10,000 shots a week more than any player on the roster. If all of them shot that much a week maybe Iowa can shoot better than 35% against quality teams.
As for the comment on May leading Iowa in 3-pt % last year, so what? He shot 66, compared to Gatens 163...percentages mean something when the numbers are comparable on attempts. I am a stat freak, but analysis of them is what matters.
Roy Devyn Marble Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Iowa Hawkeyes - ESPN
I really like Marble as a player, he needs to get stronger and use the practice facility to shoot 10,000 shots a week more than any player on the roster. If all of them shot that much a week maybe Iowa can shoot better than 35% against quality teams.
As for the comment on May leading Iowa in 3-pt % last year, so what? He shot 66, compared to Gatens 163...percentages mean something when the numbers are comparable on attempts. I am a stat freak, but analysis of them is what matters.
so a freshman season of playing out of position and 6 games in where he has again played out of position make your opinion soloid as fact he can't or won't improve, or be able to play anything other than the 3 or be nothing more than a 6th man
the last two games he has played the 2 with Gatens playing the 3, with him concentrating on the "2" he has scored 11 and 14 pts, and has gone 2-4 from 3, his only draw back is ft shooting which is at 50%
with the switch Cartwright minutes went up as he got 34 minutes his last game and Gatens got 33 rather than playing close to 40
where as Marble got 32 and 22
hows those for stats,
the last two games he has played the 2 with Gatens playing the 3, with him concentrating on the "2" he has scored 11 and 14 pts, and has gone 2-4 from 3, his only draw back is ft shooting which is at 50%
with the switch Cartwright minutes went up as he got 34 minutes his last game and Gatens got 33 rather than playing close to 40
where as Marble got 32 and 22
hows those for stats,
as to using stats, being a statistcal analysis specialist i learned long ago that you can twist stats to prove a point, i can take stats and make a player look like the worst player on the planet, just as easily as use those same stats to make him look like the greatest
in the end stats are for liars, losers and fools, and to a degree thieves
in the end stats are for liars, losers and fools, and to a degree thieves
You have lost me!
Are you saying that May and Marble are better shooters than Gatens?
SirJamaLot
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next yrs starting five
gessel pt
ogelsby and marble wings
white/mccabe and woody post
first off the bench: mccabe/white, olaseni, meyer, ingram, simmons
cant wait yr 3 we should be more fun to watch, yr 4 and 5 we will be dancing!!!!
gessel pt
ogelsby and marble wings
white/mccabe and woody post
first off the bench: mccabe/white, olaseni, meyer, ingram, simmons
cant wait yr 3 we should be more fun to watch, yr 4 and 5 we will be dancing!!!!
Who is Simmons?
Simmons= 4 start who turned down Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Syracuse, and Kansas to go to Iowa.... Ha,ha kidding think he meant Clemmons
2012-2013 two deeps
PG starter= Gesell
PG back up= Clemmons
SG starter= Oglesby
SG back up= May (initially) I could see Ingram taking the role as the season goes on.
SF starter= Marble
SF back up= White
PF starter= Basabe
PF back up= McCabe
C starter= Woodbury
C back up= Olesani/Meyer (maybe Meyer is first back up ahead of Olesani who knows)
Heck with one scholarship open Iowa might go the JUCO route to find an athletic wing who can score. If that person is found he probably starts before Oglesby.
My starting line up is just a guess based on what I think will happen the first couple games next season.
not a bad thought the only thing i disagree on is Meyer will probably spend a lot of time at the 4,
May has spent 3 years at SF not sure if he could do any better at the 2 than he does now at the 3, but it is an option, his height at 6'5 is more for a 2 than a 3, so i see where you are coming from
May has spent 3 years at SF not sure if he could do any better at the 2 than he does now at the 3, but it is an option, his height at 6'5 is more for a 2 than a 3, so i see where you are coming from
Stats don't really lie if you line up all of your stats and know what stats to use. You do this based on using the best possible stat and understanding sample size.
For example you could try to argue that a .300 hitter is better than a .290 hitter in baseball. I would then tell you batting average is not the best stat to use. It is a stat but you can go deeper by looking at OBP, SLG, OPS, and WOBA to help you paint the true story of who the better hitter is.
People who say stats can line obviously don't work in stats like you claim to. Stats are all based on gathering all the info you can and objectively going through all the stats to paint the best picture. Sample size can hurt any stat but you take that into account too.
You sir are making an excuse for claiming that Marble and May are better shooters than Gatens. Most would look at Gatens larger sample size and work that regressing into comparing him to shooters who don't shoot as often as he does.
sportstalent
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Thank you and is herbyhawk, dragonhawk?
i never said stats lie
it is the user of stats that lie
restrict the sample size to info you only want the readers of that info to see lies by ommitting stats
example of this is Wall Street Commodities
they tell you that the oil inventory decreases and gasoline inventory decreases
but fail to tell the previous weeks inventory
not only that but they don't tell how much refineries rate of production went up or down
nor do they tell you if imports of oil increased or decreased,
all these are stats that are important
but by ommitting parts of the stats they can and do manipulate the stats
like i said "IT IS THE USER THAT LIES" not the stats themselves
stats are easy to manipulate to prove ones point
it is the user of stats that lie
restrict the sample size to info you only want the readers of that info to see lies by ommitting stats
example of this is Wall Street Commodities
they tell you that the oil inventory decreases and gasoline inventory decreases
but fail to tell the previous weeks inventory
not only that but they don't tell how much refineries rate of production went up or down
nor do they tell you if imports of oil increased or decreased,
all these are stats that are important
but by ommitting parts of the stats they can and do manipulate the stats
like i said "IT IS THE USER THAT LIES" not the stats themselves
stats are easy to manipulate to prove ones point
If you are in a discussion with someone who tries to use bad stats you can ask them to show the stats so you know what they are trying to show. For example if someone tried to say that Eric May was a better shooter than Matt Gatens I would be skeptical of a stat that showed that fact. I would go look up stats and know right away that someone was trying to pull a fast one and use a small sample size to show May is the better shooter.