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The real question about recruiting stars is why do we care? Gessell and Woodbury will be the same players next year whether they have 5* or 2* next to their name on some random website. Do these recruiting services up players who go to top schools? Of course. Why shouldn't they? The number of * a player receives is a guess anyway. If he gets recruited by and attends a top school that is important evidence of player quality that should factored in. Again though who cares? Illinois is loaded with 4* and 5* star talent but Weber can't coach it.
ihawkeye
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Oh well, let the rankings say what they want. The recruits are who they are.. They will have the chance to prove themselves at Iowa. Of course, if Woodbury would have signed with UNC, he would've been raised to a 5* recruit.
Good point about Woodbury. He'd probably be a McDonalds All-American as well.
You didn't say it? Here's your quote: ...."but in my opinion they are all under rated by the recruiting services"
the sad thing is how much some put into recruiting rankings. it is about the product on the court not what some arbitrary person in an office thinks and scores a kid. there are times where top 10 recruits dont get drafted, boy were those rankings wrong. it is how the peices fit together. there is only 1 ranker that i care about and that is fran. he has ranked these guys as worthy of schollies. now it is up to him to get them winning games.
our guys got dropped in ranking because they signed with iowa. ok put a chip on their shoulder and go prove something next yr. someone went from 7th c to 12th c just because of a signature. ok next yr go manhandle #7, #8, #9, #10, #11 that jump ahead.
i believe over the kf era the best recruiting class that has played also had the most flops. stop worrying about a number and just get ready for the influx of ability we will see next year.
our guys got dropped in ranking because they signed with iowa. ok put a chip on their shoulder and go prove something next yr. someone went from 7th c to 12th c just because of a signature. ok next yr go manhandle #7, #8, #9, #10, #11 that jump ahead.
i believe over the kf era the best recruiting class that has played also had the most flops. stop worrying about a number and just get ready for the influx of ability we will see next year.
it must be nice to just rip on a post, as for the 6 wins the last time Iowa had that many was in Licks 2nd season with 5, Fran now has six, in just his 2nd season he has won more conference win in one season that Lick did in any one of licks best year, Licks best season he had 15 wins, Fran has 14 with 4 to play to the next level of wins he has to get to 17 to equal Alfords last season of 17, yes i am going to say it that ESPN has the players underrated and they dropped all 5 of Iowa's recruits after they rated them at one level, then they dropped them after they signed with Iowa and nothing more, if you think ranking don't matter just check out the preferential treatment they get by the officials, Zeller is a prime example in his game against Iowa. McCabe had 5 fouls in 6 minutes and Olaseni had 3 in one minute trying to guard him he is good but not that good, nor are McCabe and Olaseni that bad, Zeller got those calls because of the *'s and accolades. and if Zeller is that good he should be the #1 pick in the draft this summer, but he won't
also the ranking won't make them play better or worse, but there is that word "perception" that goes a long way, not to mention the perception of good they are that gets Top 25 ranking that appeal to kids, it will be up to the kids to get there and stay, but it does keep some teams in there year in and year out no matter who leaves
GhostofBTT
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the problem is that some coaches get the talent but have no clue how to coach them
Weber comes to mind, Raveling was another one, Crean seems to be in the same catagory, get the talent but hasn't done much with it. Fran has got a good class and looks to know how to develope the talent he has.
in the long run it is about coaching
and to compare the 2005 FB class has no bearing on this BB class, but those that stayed did quite well, people remember the higher ranked recuits, because they were highly ranked, but i am curious how many of the 2* or 3* players that left or failed to produce for one reason or another, are remembered. not many would be my guess
Weber comes to mind, Raveling was another one, Crean seems to be in the same catagory, get the talent but hasn't done much with it. Fran has got a good class and looks to know how to develope the talent he has.
in the long run it is about coaching
and to compare the 2005 FB class has no bearing on this BB class, but those that stayed did quite well, people remember the higher ranked recuits, because they were highly ranked, but i am curious how many of the 2* or 3* players that left or failed to produce for one reason or another, are remembered. not many would be my guess
a recruiting rank is worth about as much as a preseason rank. ask devyn marble, aaron white, mel basabe what they think about high school rankings because being #1 or #100 or #1000 doesnt earn you a point, rebound, assist. it is nice when you see a good recruiting ranking just like it is nice when you have a high preseason rank but there are just as many flops as successes and as many diamonds in the rough that people didnt realize.
some make it seem like there is a conspiracy about keeping iowa down in sports. really think about it and have a little perspective. all i have heard is how much these 5 players are going to help continue and/or speed up the rebuilding process at iowa so what does it matter whether they are #40 or #60 in the country because with 300+ schools there has to be at least 2 or 3 scholly average between schools each yr so 600-900 bball d1 schollies which makes #40 and #60 in the 10% or higher. wow that is so terrible to be either, relax the tide is turning for iowa bball.
some make it seem like there is a conspiracy about keeping iowa down in sports. really think about it and have a little perspective. all i have heard is how much these 5 players are going to help continue and/or speed up the rebuilding process at iowa so what does it matter whether they are #40 or #60 in the country because with 300+ schools there has to be at least 2 or 3 scholly average between schools each yr so 600-900 bball d1 schollies which makes #40 and #60 in the 10% or higher. wow that is so terrible to be either, relax the tide is turning for iowa bball.
goods10
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The mystery question is....would Lick have landed Gessel and Woodbury if he were the coach instead of Fran?
Tmoney12
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I blame Espn
Sorry gang,but in bb, rankings are not random and do often indicate true talent.
FB is much harder to evaluate,but bb,with summer AAU tournys having the top several hundred players all competing against each other on the court,which allows for direct comparisons.
Take the Big Ten leader MSU' s rotation: Payne,Appling and Dawson are top 25, with Green and Nix top 60. Thornton is top 125. Not sure about Woods,the transfer from Valpo. Still, MSU has at least 5 top 60 or 6 top 125 guys...Iowa has two with Oglesby at 119 and Gatens at 89. OSU has at least 8 top 100 guys in their rotation..all of them basically. Michigan has Hardaway,Smotryx,Morgan,Burke as top 100.
These are the three top teams in the league. They have pretty much the highest rated players. Not rocket science here,gang. Iowa is coming. You do not need all top 125 guys but you do need a critical mass,which Iowa will approach next year with at least 3, then some sleepers like White,Marble and Mel.
FB is much harder to evaluate,but bb,with summer AAU tournys having the top several hundred players all competing against each other on the court,which allows for direct comparisons.
Take the Big Ten leader MSU' s rotation: Payne,Appling and Dawson are top 25, with Green and Nix top 60. Thornton is top 125. Not sure about Woods,the transfer from Valpo. Still, MSU has at least 5 top 60 or 6 top 125 guys...Iowa has two with Oglesby at 119 and Gatens at 89. OSU has at least 8 top 100 guys in their rotation..all of them basically. Michigan has Hardaway,Smotryx,Morgan,Burke as top 100.
These are the three top teams in the league. They have pretty much the highest rated players. Not rocket science here,gang. Iowa is coming. You do not need all top 125 guys but you do need a critical mass,which Iowa will approach next year with at least 3, then some sleepers like White,Marble and Mel.
RocknRollface
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Agree with this overall, rankings are much more accurate in Bball.
That being said the cream of the crop are easily identifiable but there is probably not a whole lot of difference between say 50 - 150. There is still a subjective element.
this is the truth. tell me the difference between #40 & #60. in one ranking you could be one and in another the other. it is subjective and when there are 600-900 or more frosh coming into d1 college bb as frosh with schollies movement of 10-20 spots isnt much.
dmShortSaledude
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No. And it is not a mystery ....
BasketballMan
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Dear Jesus. Why is it that it seems every frickin thread I choose to read, somebody decides to start rippin on Herby. Seriously? I dont know if I should laugh or cry.
