You probably shouldn't be rough on anyone since you really don't seem to understand the sport. I have watched all four games on BTN Plus so far this year. Hard to take much away from it when the teams have been so bad but if you want to talk basketball you can do it in that forum and bully everyone over there.
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You probably shouldn't be rough on anyone since you really don't seem to understand the sport. I have watched all four games on BTN Plus so far this year. Hard to take much away from it when the teams have been so bad but if you want to talk basketball you can do it in that forum and bully everyone over there.
taffaej
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Sounds very familiar... I think I said that like 3 years ago. Welcome to the club.
deanvogs
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Link?
I save that stuff for you, Hawk5656, Playamker and maybe a couple others. Heck TK and I disagree a lot on here, and I respect TK.
You are really butthurt about me today. It is funny how I live in your head rent free.
deanvogs
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Any plans to rip on Jordan all year long again? Do you still plan on trolling Frans rotations this year?
Speaking about not knowing shit about B.B. wanna lecture is more on these trolls from last year?
1) Jordan sucks
2) Moss is a “clear miss”
3) Iowa has Bottom 4 talent in the B1G
4) Jordan sucks
5) Iowa won’t make the NIT
6) Jordan sucks
7) No way Jordan is 1st team Fr all B1G
Joshbrown
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I was also asked to do things such as pose as a customer and post good company reviews on websites in order to raise bad ratings and was even given the task of "making" all of the employees leave "honest" reviews on the company's Facebook page in order to raise the rating on the page. It's no surprise that I left mine yesterday after resigning and they are now all hidden from the site. It is a very shady, dishonest way to present your business and I was appalled that I was asked to partake in that.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/R...723.htm?sort.sortType=RD&sort.ascending=false
^^^ look for the review dated Jan 9 2014
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/R...723.htm?sort.sortType=RD&sort.ascending=false
^^^ look for the review dated Jan 9 2014
I guess I'll take you talking basketball in the football forum as you admitting you don't understand the sport of football.
deanvogs
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Nice deflection. No worries, I’ll remind you all season long of your numerous failed basketball trolls.
I'm not deflecting anything. If you want to talk about what I've said about basketball do it in the appropriate forum. You having to talk about a different sport in the football forum just further shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to understand the game.
deanvogs
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What exactly have I said about football that shows my lack of knowledge? Link?
InGoodCo
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My question is this? What exactly IS wrong with being "ok" - or satisfied with 12-2, 8-4 and potentially another 8-4 season at Iowa? Those are pretty good seasons in the grand scheme of things and the history of the school in a big picture aspect. Sure, I want it to be better, cause I want the best for the Hawks. I just don't personally understand where all my frustration about how bad the team is supposed to be coming from? Wisconsin is better than Iowa and have been for a while. I personally don't think a new coach is going to come in and instantly make the program better then Wisconsin.In my opinion - I would rather role the dice with a coach that understands Iowa football more than probably any other human being on the planet. Who's done it before and likely will do it again. If I knew of someone that was out there that would come in and make an impact to replace Kirk, I would say "go get em"
Until then I am not going to wish away the best coach Iowa has ever had. This is just my opinion, not saying I am right ...but in my opinion, I think who ever follows Kirk is likely to struggle unless it's someone who understands the culture of Iowa City.
That's just me. I certainly understand folks that want a change. You're entitled to it. The only time I respond to it is when fabrication comes up. Feel free to do the same about something I might say. You guys do, and I am fine with it.
Until then I am not going to wish away the best coach Iowa has ever had. This is just my opinion, not saying I am right ...but in my opinion, I think who ever follows Kirk is likely to struggle unless it's someone who understands the culture of Iowa City.
That's just me. I certainly understand folks that want a change. You're entitled to it. The only time I respond to it is when fabrication comes up. Feel free to do the same about something I might say. You guys do, and I am fine with it.
You attack the so called Ferentz haters on here like they are clueless but you are just as bad if not worse being a Ferentz apologist. You were one of the very few that defended Kirk's stupid no visit policy and you still will because you don't understand how the game needs to be played in today's era. It's no surprise you love Kirk so much because both of you are stuck in the 80's.
hawkeyebob62
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Perspective...
Kennyfromminne
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You run your mouth to anyone who you don't see eye to eye with. Narrow minded and not very intelligent from what I gather of your posts.
hawkeyebob62
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No, but he's still smarter than you and the rest of the Disguised Dirty 30...
Fryowa
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Not attempting an argument with you because I know we're on different sides of the fence, but what most people are getting at isn't that we're not happy with 12-2 and beating ranked teams sometimes, but if you look at the sustained, average performance of Ferentz-coached teams, it's poor as a whole.
Have there been some good years? Yep. Have there been horrible ones? also Yes.
What burns people here is the sustained mediocrity, especially when there are so many flashes of potential that are never followed up. If you've watched these teams for the past 19 years what you see is the same, predictable, just barely above average football year after year because it's safe. Flashes of greatness which are quickly cancelled out by flashes of ineptitude. What's left? Vanilla averageness which people (whether you agree with it or not) aren't satisfied with. Ferentz has no accountability whatsoever, and it shows in his coaching style, in my opinion. I know you don't like it when I say that stuff with nothing to back it up, so here are some simple stats...
Under Ferentz, Iowa is .559 all time in conference play. A 5-4 record (one game above .500) is .556. That's three thousandths of a point. You want to take out his first year? We can do that. His conference record then changes to .590...still 5-4
His teams finished .500 or below in conference play 9 times in the last 18 years. And before you start talking about me being biased by including his earlier teams, 5 of those years were from 2007 till now.
Ferentz averaged 4.2 conference wins per season his first nine years, and 4.8 the last nine years. That is sustained mediocrity. If it isn't, what is??
You always use the argument where we compare the Hawks to other teams and disregard the team's individual performance. Well, 18 years of conference W/L records is in fact comparing the Hawks to other teams. It's comparing them to the most relevant subset, the Big Ten Conference.
It isn't that everyone here says the Hawks completely suck, which is how you tend to portray it. What people here are getting at is that there's constant plateau at being mundane and statistically average. Like I said before, there are rare periods of greatness, but there are just as many years like 2006 and 2012. What's left is a .500 record which (most) fans aren't content with. And we also aren't concerned with the whole "tell me who's better than Iowa, there aren't very many" argument because frankly it's a bush league cop out that people use when they can't bring stats to the table. It's the debate equivalent to "I know you are but what am I." When you want to prove a point don't tell your opponent to go find your answer for you, you find it on your own and bring it back to the argument. If you do that and have a valid point I'll darn sure admit it.
I know you love the Hawks and KF, and you think they're one of the mid to upper echelon programs historically. No one's trying to change your mind on that. But when objective numbers are staring you in the face saying otherwise, it's hard for people here to take your point to heart. And like always, I'll leave off with the disclaimer that I don't think getting rid of Ferentz, as much as I don't care for his coaching, is the right answer. We will become Nebraska. What I do wish is that he'd slam some Fireball before the game and at half and loosen up a little bit.
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Nothing is wrong with that unless your perspective is way off. The problem is that all 8-4 seasons are not equal. Last year 8-5 was a dud. Losing to NDSU and northwestern at home the way they did, scoring 9 points against Wisconsin at home, getting dominated by a Florida team that averaged 15 points a game in their conference season is rightfully going to get people pissed. Last years schedule had one great team and one very good team, and Iowa somehow managed to lose 5 games and damn near lost 3 others. Mainly because of poor recruiting killing them at WR and OT. I can understand fans being livid with that.
I don’t want a new coach. I want Kirk and Brian to be great and make a seamless transition in a few years. They got 2 games left. Get 2 wins and don’t embarrass themselves in the bowl and I think most fans will be okay with it. But facts are facts. This program has been nationally ranked in about 15 polls since 2010. Most of which came in 2015 and early 2016 before NDSU. The last two times Iowa appeared in a poll, the responded by getting blown out. That’s nothing to write home about for a 7 year stretch
SpiderRico
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In my mind, this comes down to one thing....or rather, one team....Wisconsin.
Back when HF was coach, our avg record was 7-5/8-4. However, we were the 3rd best team in the league behind Michigan and OSU. It was pretty tough for us, as a fanbase, to get all upset at the fact that we were behind 2 of the winningest teams in college football history. So we were fairly content......
Fast forward to now, and we have a hall of fame coach who's avg record is 7-5/8-4....sounds pretty familiar. The difference, however, is that we've been jumped by a team (Wisconsin) that was perennially behind us. From 1977 thru 1996, we didn't lose a game to them. From 2002 thru 2009, we beat the crap out of them....both on the scoreboard as well as literally on the field..
Now, however, they've passed us. Not only that, but they're in the same division. So in order to make a conference title game, we have to surpass them and many (I'm close to including myself) isn't sure Ferentz has it in him to get us back past them again.
So it's one thing to have a hall of famer who avg's 7-5/8-4 every year and be the 3rd best team in the conference on a regular basis....to one that has the same overall avg record, but has been passed by a team that used to be our bitch every year. That's a tough pill to swallow.....
Back when HF was coach, our avg record was 7-5/8-4. However, we were the 3rd best team in the league behind Michigan and OSU. It was pretty tough for us, as a fanbase, to get all upset at the fact that we were behind 2 of the winningest teams in college football history. So we were fairly content......
Fast forward to now, and we have a hall of fame coach who's avg record is 7-5/8-4....sounds pretty familiar. The difference, however, is that we've been jumped by a team (Wisconsin) that was perennially behind us. From 1977 thru 1996, we didn't lose a game to them. From 2002 thru 2009, we beat the crap out of them....both on the scoreboard as well as literally on the field..
Now, however, they've passed us. Not only that, but they're in the same division. So in order to make a conference title game, we have to surpass them and many (I'm close to including myself) isn't sure Ferentz has it in him to get us back past them again.
So it's one thing to have a hall of famer who avg's 7-5/8-4 every year and be the 3rd best team in the conference on a regular basis....to one that has the same overall avg record, but has been passed by a team that used to be our bitch every year. That's a tough pill to swallow.....
Fryowa
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What’s even more frustrating about Wisconsin is that it could have been us. They went and got an elite former football coach for an AD who actually runs the program and demands success. If you suck as a coach there you’re going to be leaving.
Kirk Ferentz is self employed with no one to answer to, nothing to lose and only millions to collect if either party decides to get a divorce. Tell me how that’s a formula for winning conference titles.
It’s not.
InGoodCo
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There's a lot in there that I disagree with - and lot of assumption of how I think. I think the only way you can compare yourself is to compare yourself to your peers. That's not a cop out, that's how life works. But I am not gonna argue anymore. Iowa can be better, I agree. I also think it could be much worse, and we're a wrong outside hire from being like so many other crap programs in the country that would love to have Iowa's small sliver of success. Besides WI and TOSU, (u might be able to convince me MSU, but prolly not) I wouldn't trade the last 20 years of IA football for any other teams in the B1G. That has to speak for SOMETHING right?
All I can say is had you told me 8-4 (which hasn't happened yet BTW and I am well aware of that) before the season, I would have taken it. If that means I don't expect enough or accept mediocre, then I am guilty. I just think 8 wins at Iowa is nothing to sneeze at and never will be.
