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Let's go back to the starting point... 1. The point was stated, we are a young team that's why we are struggling. 2. I rebutted that we were not and gave stats showing we are at least 50/50 upper and lower classmen. 3. I then demonstrated Alabama won a national championship with the same...

WE ARE NOT A YOUNG TEAM!!!!!! Additionally, I will never give into the premise that Iowa has to have a majority of Jr. & Sr. in order to produce a winning season. If the only way Iowa can be competitive is to have a majority of upperclassmen, no injuries, no transfers out, three year lead...

So somehow the Freshman and Sophomores at Alabama are miraculously better at not being young? Bottom line, "being young" is a B.S. excuse. It's a complete cop-out and I am tired of hearing it used a justification from Iowa for putting dog crap teams on the field.

No. No they are not. You can try to argue inexperienced but some of that can be put on coaching. They aren't a senior team either, but the "young" excuse is already overused and in the case of this team inaccurate. Alabama won a National championship with a similar class make-up.

Didn't we question the same thing about Shawn Greene? With that being said, I don't think Weisman is as durable as Greene based on last year's injuries. Also, unless there are injuries to other RB I don't think he will continue to see 25 plus carries per game.

Ahhh.... I see. Here's a 2012 two deep from week one for a BCS team. Where should it fall on the "developmental scale" compared to Iowa? Offense Fr - 8 So - 8 Jr - 8 Sr - 3 Defense Fr - 4 So - 7 Jr - 8 Sr - 6 Total Fr - 12 So - 15 Jr - 16 Sr - 9 Want to guess where this team finished in...

My bad.

You're still a Tavernhok. :)

Nope. It's was tongue-in-cheek.

Dean-o backs his stuff up with facts when he needs to. There may be times he and I disagree on how to interpret some of those facts, but he knows them.

KF still hasn't forgiven CJF for committing to Illinois first before changing to Iowa.

Nope.... not going to get the youth excuse this year. According to the NIU 2-deeps; Offense FR - 2 (Both Red shirts) SO - 10 JR - 8 Sr - 4 Defense FR - 3 (All Red shirts) SO - 8 JR - 7 SR - 6 In total - 5 Freshman, 18 Soph, 15 Juniors and 10 Seniors. This team is not young. It's...

And lately I've been in glass half empty mode. Hopefully you aren't reading too much into it. I'd rather be the one whose wrong.

I didn't read that much into it. I see him saying this team is better than last year's team, but there is still work that needs to be done.

I don't dispute this team is better than last year's team. But we shouldn't be using last year's team as a measuring stick. It takes very little to be better than last year's team. That team was that bad. Basically all Jared said was that this year's lines have shown improvement from last year...

Yes, because after the UNI game taking down Oklahoma is a realistic possibility for the Clowns.

Fixed it.

To say you can see big jumps in playing ability really doesn't give any perception as to where he thinks they have started. Does he see them as a good squad that will improve into a top o-line or a rough group that has the potential to develop into an average o-line?

Sounds like Jared is really up on the defense. I'm curious how he thinks the O-line has done thus far and how well it may develop throughout the season.

Vanilla, just they way we like them. Can anyone list 3 items of significance that they learned from this presser that they didn't already know?