After watching Replay - Dline and OLine and how will it bode going forward

I agree 82. I think both lines look very good. The defensive line was obviously playing contain against NIU, and thus looked like a lack of rush. They got after it a little more against MizzSt, but still had to contain the QB. He did break a couple runs, but the D did recover as a unit very well.

I will also say, in regards to the overall D, it looks like the whole group is flying around out there, they swarm to the ball (much like some of the great D's we've seen in the past), and they appear to be looking to punish the opponents.

Real good stuff!


Man, I don't know what some of you are watching.

The OLine will be an average B10 line at best. Scherf appears overrated at this point. The running stats look good but the teams they were playing and the DLines they were blocking are nothing to write home about, to say the least. If that line is so good why couldn't we convert on third and shorts last week and why did we throw on that third and one the first week?

The DLine has upside, but to say they were trying to contain seems idiotic to me. If you CAN sack or pressure a QB you don't choose not to do it because you are playing to contain. That seems like a very wishful thinking type comment to me. The interior appears to have the upside but the DEs, I just don't see it. When we have been really good on the line we have had really quick ends like Clairborne (sp)/Ballard and Roth/Howard Hodges, etc. We have NOTHING close to that now or in the pipeline.

Our DBs MIGHT be better than they were after Sanders left, MAYBE. That is not a compliment.

Our LBS are strong, but might be over-rated by most here.

I like our QB and TEs, and I like the WRs more than most seem to. I believe they can be slightly below average to average B10 WRs. Our RBs are pretty good. But they will not break long runs and one reason is because the OLine is not that good. When Ladell Betts was at Iowa he had the worst OLines of the Fry Era his first two and maybe three years. He couldn't break a long run because he couldn't get to the second level without getting tripped up because the OLine wasn't doing as good a job for him as they did for guys like Shaw. It isn't just that Wiseman is slow.

While these are just my opinions, I ran them by a former Iowa letterman under Hayden and he seemed to agree with me on each count.

In regards to the whole D, I just don't see it. Whenever we have had bigtime playmakers on D you could see them as freshmen and sophs and they looked like Sanders, Babineaux, Clayborne (sp), Ballard, Greenway or Hodge. I don't see anyone out there now that makes me think of that type of player or that has the potential to be that type of player. I don’t see it anywhere on the D. We have some good upside on the DTs and we have above average to pretty good LBs. We have one pretty good DB as near as I can tell but our ends are VERY average at best and I don't see upside.

It isn’t my intent to degrade these players. I believe they are trying hard. But the talent level really seems lacking and I don’t see the potential on the team now, as a whole, to get us above 7-5 next year. I certainly don’t see that on defense.
 
Man, I don't know what some of you are watching.

The OLine will be an average B10 line at best. Scherf appears overrated at this point. The running stats look good but the teams they were playing and the DLines they were blocking are nothing to write home about, to say the least. If that line is so good why couldn't we convert on third and shorts last week and why did we throw on that third and one the first week?

Weisman going for a buck-80 (280, season-to-date) not good enough for you? Thru 2 games, 500 yards rushing -- like twice as good as last year's average per game -- not good enough for you?

Sure, there were 7 rushing attempts of zero or negative yards and 2 sacks against FCS Mo-State but when you run the ball 57 of 80 plays (that's 71%, geniuses!!) you're bound to have a few setbacks just due to the law of averages (nobody's perfect!!). The few, untimely motion and holding calls that killed drives / moved the Hawks out of scoring position are just par for the course this early in the season -- while the kinks get worked out.

KF will have the OL and RB's gelling by late October / November, like he has every year for a decade and a half (if you've ever followed, the Hawks actually improve over the course of the season; as reliable as the sun rising in the east!) In the meantime, the Hawks typically play down to the competition during the non-con, so, before you go predicting how bad these trends will be against the BCS / B1G competition, just forget it! They'll keep improving and also play up to the competition as the season goes on and the opponents get tougher! Of course, most of you are incapable of mustering up some patience for a young and developing team to improve.

Since you've already written-off this team, you should not get the pleasure of celebrating the reward when they correct these small issues. Of course, the band wagon will be full, AGAIN!


The DLine has upside, but to say they were trying to contain seems idiotic to me. If you CAN sack or pressure a QB you don't choose not to do it because you are playing to contain. That seems like a very wishful thinking type comment to me. The interior appears to have the upside but the DEs, I just don't see it. When we have been really good on the line we have had really quick ends like Clairborne (sp)/Ballard and Roth/Howard Hodges, etc. We have NOTHING close to that now or in the pipeline.

Maybe you should submit your resume to replace Reese Morgan. He's getting the young and inexperienced DL to quickly improve and be prepared for all the mobile QB's they face, more and more each year. Containment and gap assignment is the name of the game, these days. Not to mention, you really think Phil Parker, especially after learning under Norm's wing all these years, is going to show all the DL gimmicks and stunts he has up his sleeve against the non-con?

Our DBs MIGHT be better than they were after Sanders left, MAYBE. That is not a compliment.

Again, yeah, the young newbies have made a couple rookie mistakes -- biting on the stop and go and getting burned for TD's in each game so far -- but nothing that won't be corrected through experience. With such experience, leadership and solid play by the safeties, this unit is only a couple games away from really coming together. They'll be ready for any route / move any B1G WR will throw at them.

As for your crack about "not being a compliment". Yeah, you're not gonna trick me with your sarcasm. (Isn't sarcasm supposed to be a bit witty / funny? It wasn't!)
I've just come to expect few, if any compliments from any of you negative Nancies!


Our LBS are strong, but might be over-rated by most here.

Don't know how you can say this?! James Morris is a 4-year starter who's earned the respect of everyone in / covering the B1G, especially his head coach! Hitchens' play was described as "the best he's played" by his head coach -- a guy who definitely knows the talent, abilities and potential of his players better than any fan because he sees them every day in practice!! That hit, forced fumble, scoop and dash for a TD by Kirksey against NIU was reminiscent of Clayborn's punt block for a TD against Penn St. You'll see that play on B1G highlight reels throughout the season, just like Clayborn's!

I like our QB and TEs, and I like the WRs more than most seem to. FINALLY! A compliment! It only took you 5 paragraphs to finally give a little credit where credit is due!!
I believe they can be slightly below average to average B10 WRs. Our RBs are pretty good. But they will not break long runs and one reason is because the OLine is not that good. When Ladell Betts was at Iowa he had the worst OLines of the Fry Era his first two and maybe three years. He couldn't break a long run because he couldn't get to the second level without getting tripped up because the OLine wasn't doing as good a job for him as they did for guys like Shaw. It isn't just that Wiseman is slow.

While these are just my opinions, I ran them by a former Iowa letterman under Hayden and he seemed to agree with me on each count.

In regards to the whole D, I just don't see it. Whenever we have had bigtime playmakers on D you could see them as freshmen and sophs and they looked like Sanders, Babineaux, Clayborne (sp), Ballard, Greenway or Hodge. I don't see anyone out there now that makes me think of that type of player or that has the potential to be that type of player. I don’t see it anywhere on the D. We have some good upside on the DTs and we have above average to pretty good LBs. We have one pretty good DB as near as I can tell but our ends are VERY average at best and I don't see upside.

It isn’t my intent to degrade these players.Coulda fooled me!!
I believe they are trying hard. Ya think?! They want to win more than you want them to win and are busting their butts everyday for nothing more than you -- the "fans'" -- complete satisfaction and approval. Outside of attending class, their entire existence and psyche is dedicated to winning for the "fans" of the Iowa Hawkeyes. Stop insinuating they are mailing it in!
But the talent level really seems lacking and I don’t see the potential on the team now, as a whole, to get us above 7-5 next year. I certainly don’t see that on defense.

While you're not quite as bad as most, I just don't understand what you hope to accomplish by so much negativity towards and self-loathing of "your" (supposed) favorite team:confused::(
 
You are 100% correct-

2010- started 7-2 finished 1-3
2011- started 5-2 finished 2-4
2012- started 4-2 finished 0-6

I never said it can't go both ways. I was simply trying to make the point that it's way too early to jump to conclusions simply because Iowa hasn't thoroughly impressed anyone yet. It's not unusual to see them start out the season this way. Wouldn't you agree?

This is a much better team than what we saw last year. The schedule is more difficult, but last year's horrific team even managed to hang in there in every game but two. They only lost by one score to Nebraska and that was basically without a competent offense. The offense this year is averaging like 150 more yards per game so far.
 
While still a work in progress, it seems like Rudock (and GD) are doing a better job than last year responding to that and making the opponent pay for selling out. Too many times, JVB just stood in like a statue and took the blitz sack. But I base that on viewing NIU, how'd it work out in the MSU game?

Rudock many times found receivers sitting in holes and delivered the ball quick so it worked out well. Jake made a great throw on his first pass but shumpert dropped it so that stopped a drive.

KMM is pretty good at sitting down in space and giving a good target. CJFed ran some good routes.
 
We were playing one of the worst teams in recent football history the other day. I wouldn't get too gaga over some slight domination at the LOS. The lack of any real pass rush from the DEs in a game like that is just terrifying. Also, I don't care how accurate Rudock's arm is, we still have the worst group of WRs in major college football, and that's not going to change without at least a few more recruiting classes. And our secondary is just beyond awful. Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen it in worse shape. There are serious and severe flaws on this team that are glaring, even against a cupcake like Mizzou-lite. Once their QB and WRs were able to get on the same page, they were able to move the ball far too easily against our defense in the 2nd half. So, um, yeah, 6 games is a PIPEDREAM at this point.

Read Jared Claus article.
 
I am not sure what would be more foolish at this point...to assume that Iowa is no good since they have not sufficiently dominated two teams that they should beat or that Iowa is good because they beat Missouri State. That being said, if you cannot see that (1) this team is playing far better than last year's version and (2) that this team has far superior physical skills, including speed, that last year's version, you are not paying attention. Again, please read Jared's summary of the team...he may actually know something you do not.
 
I am not sure what would be more foolish at this point...to assume that Iowa is no good since they have not sufficiently dominated two teams that they should beat or that Iowa is good because they beat Missouri State. That being said, if you cannot see that (1) this team is playing far better than last year's version and (2) that this team has far superior physical skills, including speed, that last year's version, you are not paying attention. Again, please read Jared's summary of the team...he may actually know something you do not.

I don't dispute this team is better than last year's team. But we shouldn't be using last year's team as a measuring stick. It takes very little to be better than last year's team. That team was that bad. Basically all Jared said was that this year's lines have shown improvement from last year. Hardly an accomplishment worth bragging about.

A sandwich pulled out of a dumpster is an improvement over eating dog poop, but it's still unacceptable for most standards.
 

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