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This is where I'm at. See how this year plays out, if we don't make the dance the next 2 seasons then we need to move on. 10 years, 2 dances and a play in game. He gets longer because he had to bring the program back from the dead. But I don't think anyone would disagree that at the end of next...

I agree that the big guys rim defense has been pathetic. And we don't have quick enough guards to stay in front of a lot of the quick guards we will see, so we need rim protectors. So basically our entire defense is bad. And yes, the tall guys we have aren't necessarily post players, but they...

I hope our back up point guard can play point guard at this level. We don't know yet. Baer should help with defensively. But by the time we get it all figured out, the hole could be very big. I don't disagree that it's not impossible for us to be a bubble team, I'm saying it's very very very...

I'm just concerned with how they are losing. It's one thing when shots just aren't falling and we are making correctable mistakes. I'm very concern with the lack of defense and with who we have handling the ball. Especially when Jobo isn't in. Defense is correctable, but Fran just hasn't proven...

which is crazy because he doesn't recruit very many guards; mostly big guys.

True. Hopefully he can be a leader and provide a spark. But we've dug ourselves a giant hole, and we are going to go through some serious ups and downs this season. The tournament isn't a realistic expectation anymore in my opinion.

I mean this sincerely, I'm glad you decided to stick around. We need someone around here to share the other side of the coin. People, especially me, get a bit unreasonable after terrible losses. With all that said, I am still going to respectfully disagree with you. I understand your points, I...

Pretty much. It's going to get worse before it gets better. I expect we will have some stretches where we play well, but overall right now I'd be surprised if we made the NIT. They've looked that bad the past 3 games.

and there is 0% chance we finish in the top 3 of the B1G.

@InGoodCo these 2 losses are more than pre-season clunkers. They are horrible, and proof that at least right now, we are not a good basketball team. Even if Fran turns it around to respectability, it's going to be too late to even come close to touching the NCAA Tournament. Our RPI is going to...

Winner. We need more than one guard. Moss is good, but we need at least 2 more serviceable guards. NDSU should not be significantly better than us at any position.

You and I and everyone else knows this team isn't making the dance. You say people are being dumb if you want to, but deep down you know this season is over before it even gets started in terms of the tournament.

give it up, nobody believes you.

This is a very reasonable post. But we just lost any hope of making the NCAA tournament today. People are going to take that hard. This is 3 straight seasons. So in 8 years under Fran we will have made 2 NCAA tournaments and a play in game. I think it's fair to wonder if it's getting close to...

They have athletic guards. I expect them to win by 20.

It is pretty funny. I never understood the hiring of Riley. I guess they wanted a nice guy after having a total d-bag for a coach.

I was looking through this thread. I didn't see it anywhere. Hopefully people aren't saying that in other threads. I get calling out their dad (mainly because I've been doing it all day o_O ) but I'm not in favor of ripping young kids who haven't played for the program yet.