WildTurkey
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smoke em if you got em.. drink your glasses to the bottom..
Re: Garmon and marijuana paranoia
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1hawkeye1
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Speak for yourself. You certainly don't speak for me, Mr "we all know this is true."
twinlaker
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hawkeyebob62
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Here is a thought, why don't we decriminalize marijuana and criminalize the legal opiates being pushed by the drug companies? Oh right, too much $$$$$ at stake for the pharmaceutical companies. I realize the following article mostly focuses on New Mexico but let's not kid ourselves, it is a nationwide problem.
If I had a son and I allowed him to play football from Pop Warner age up through high school and especially if he went on to play college ball for let's say Kirk Ferentz who, judging by his unsympathetic treatment of ARob following at least two concussions that we know about (look up his quote comparing knee injuries to concussions and also academic indigestion) takes an old-fashioned approach to concussions, I would most definitely encourage my son to smoke some dope to alleviate some discomfort caused by taking repeated shots to the head and body and vehemently discourage him from using legal opiates.
I have no idea why Greg Garmon chooses to smoke dope. A great many high school kids do, including myself at that age. I also smoked a little during college as a stress reliever and some enlightenment you might say but quit shortly thereafter. I never felt compelled to move onto stronger illegal drugs.
We need to get over this country's marijuana hysteria. Nowhere in the following article did I see anyone linking using marijuana to using harder drugs. Quite the contrary. But moving on from pills is mentioned.
The word marijuana is not mentioned. Which is unfortunate in a way as it is much safer and less addictive.
Considering the punishment and long-term damage due to prolonged hits to the head that we are just now beginning to understand (but not necessarily accept), I find it shocking that we don't prescribe medical marijuana for football players on a regular basis.
Marijuana should be legalized. No restrictions. I have no dog in the fight.
Except maybe fewer Hawkeyes, specifically running backs, would be shown the door. They would then be treated like all the underage alchohol abusers and only suspended.
From the NY Times article:
"Public health officials here say the spike is being driven primarily by prescription opioids — painkillers like oxycodone, morphine and methadone — whose sales in the state rose 131 percent during the same period. In New Mexico, the overdose death rate from prescription drugs now outstrips that from illegal drugs, the report found."
"Over the last decade, deaths from prescription drug overdoses have risen to unprecedented levels throughout the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
“'Every young person I’ve talked to that’s using heroin always started with pills,†said Jennifer Weiss, president of the Heroin Awareness Committee, formed in 2010 to curb opiate addiction in New Mexico. “It’s just been progressively getting worse.' Ms. Weiss’s own son, Cameron, a wrestler and football player at La Cueva High School, a local sports powerhouse, became addicted to prescription painkillers after a series of injuries."
Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com
I assume you are under the influence of marijuana, given the coherency--or lack thereof--in your post?
One can argue whether weed is worse (or not) than alcohol. But that isn't the argument.
The argument is whether or not Greg Garmon was arrested for an illegal act (in this case, weed possession). He was. End of story.
For every argument supporting legalization of weed (and other drugs), one can lodge a valid counter-argument. But going all SEC-rationalizing is not even close to the "correct" answer in this case.
hawkeyebob62
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So what?
"Side effects" aren't the be-all, end-all in drug safety, drug legality or drug approval by the FDA.
What is in question is whether Greg Garmon, knowing possession of weed wa illegal, chose to possess it, anyway. He did. Under the circumstances that, along with his tweets (taken at face value), points to a potentially-disturbing situation.
If he makes it to IOWA, and especially if he keeps his nose clean and does his best for the team (whether he never starts or even gets a carry), great. If he never makes it to campus via "Coaching Staff Decision", I'm fine with that, too.
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RocknRollface
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Bingo. The pharma companies have the power to write the laws however they see fit when it comes to this sort of thing and of course it has nothing to do with safety but rather profits.
They want to make harmless dietary supplements prescribed as well.
Here is a thought, why don't we decriminalize marijuana and criminalize the legal opiates being pushed by the drug companies? Oh right, too much $$$$$ at stake for the pharmaceutical companies. I realize the following article mostly focuses on New Mexico but let's not kid ourselves, it is a nationwide problem.
If I had a son and I allowed him to play football from Pop Warner age up through high school and especially if he went on to play college ball for let's say Kirk Ferentz who, judging by his unsympathetic treatment of ARob following at least two concussions that we know about (look up his quote comparing knee injuries to concussions and also academic indigestion) takes an old-fashioned approach to concussions, I would most definitely encourage my son to smoke some dope to alleviate some discomfort caused by taking repeated shots to the head and body and vehemently discourage him from using legal opiates.
I have no idea why Greg Garmon chooses to smoke dope. A great many high school kids do, including myself at that age. I also smoked a little during college as a stress reliever and some enlightenment you might say but quit shortly thereafter. I never felt compelled to move onto stronger illegal drugs.
We need to get over this country's marijuana hysteria. Nowhere in the following article did I see anyone linking using marijuana to using harder drugs. Quite the contrary. But moving on from pills is mentioned.
The word marijuana is not mentioned. Which is unfortunate in a way as it is much safer and less addictive.
Considering the punishment and long-term damage due to prolonged hits to the head that we are just now beginning to understand (but not necessarily accept), I find it shocking that we don't prescribe medical marijuana for football players on a regular basis.
Marijuana should be legalized. No restrictions. I have no dog in the fight.
Except maybe fewer Hawkeyes, specifically running backs, would be shown the door. They would then be treated like all the underage alchohol abusers and only suspended.
From the NY Times article:
"Public health officials here say the spike is being driven primarily by prescription opioids — painkillers like oxycodone, morphine and methadone — whose sales in the state rose 131 percent during the same period. In New Mexico, the overdose death rate from prescription drugs now outstrips that from illegal drugs, the report found."
"Over the last decade, deaths from prescription drug overdoses have risen to unprecedented levels throughout the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
“'Every young person I’ve talked to that’s using heroin always started with pills,†said Jennifer Weiss, president of the Heroin Awareness Committee, formed in 2010 to curb opiate addiction in New Mexico. “It’s just been progressively getting worse.' Ms. Weiss’s own son, Cameron, a wrestler and football player at La Cueva High School, a local sports powerhouse, became addicted to prescription painkillers after a series of injuries."
Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com
Here's a thought. Lets punish kids (anyone) that break the laws currently in place by the people we elect to make them. Make the punishments harsh enough to where they will think twice before they decide to commit them and so they surely won't want to do it again. It'll be interesting how Ferentz plays this. I don't think legalizing pot is an option. It's not on the table. What is on the table is how you punish kids for breaking the laws. Not just the sentancing from judges but from the bosses and coaches. Extreme example. If every coach had the same policy of suspending first time drug and alcohol offenses of any kind by suspending a kid for half the season. (without redshirt being a loophole) 2nd offense an entire yr 3rd kicked off. Would something like that help at all? I pose it more as a question then me bloviating
Not everyone can live up to your high moral standards.
homes
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This is what it is all about. The rest is just rationalization. Even if it was legal, and KF had a rule against it, he would have exercised the same poor judgment. These endless discussions about the pros/cons of marijuana are completely missing the point. None of that matters, regardless of your point of view, as it relates to Greg Garmon as a soon to be member of the Hawkeye football team.
homes
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Swing, and a miss.
Wrong.
homes
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Nope. Still missed the point. Moral standards have nothing to do with whether a member of a team makes a conscious decision to not abide by a rule. That's poor judgment, morality is not in play. If KF had a team rule against hunting bears and Vandenberg decided to whack that black bear anyway, he'd be no different. The existence of the rule in the larger context of the team and whether an individual decides he wants to be a part of that team and follow the rules is the message, not his personal opinion on the merits of the rule. There's always other teams and options to pursue if this set of rules doesn't fit within one's own moral standards.
Does Garmon deserve another chance? Personally, for this type of infraction, being a first time offender, I think he does. But if KF decides not to, then it's his team, his call.
Swing, and a miss.
homes
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copycat.
ha! touche
GoHawks24
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hawkdrummer1
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The "something else is bad, therefore we should legalize this" is faulty logic, to say that least.
That having been said, I don't think pot is any worse than alcohol. (I've experienced both) And in some ways, pot is less dangerous. But it does come with its own set of bad "side effects" so it's far from harmless.
Regardless of your opinion on marijuana, it's illegal under current laws. So Garmon's move was stupid, though I'd consider drunk driving much worse.
That having been said, I don't think pot is any worse than alcohol. (I've experienced both) And in some ways, pot is less dangerous. But it does come with its own set of bad "side effects" so it's far from harmless.
Regardless of your opinion on marijuana, it's illegal under current laws. So Garmon's move was stupid, though I'd consider drunk driving much worse.
racerhawk
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Here is a thought, why don't we decriminalize marijuana and criminalize the legal opiates being pushed by the drug companies? Oh right, too much $$$$$ at stake for the pharmaceutical companies. I realize the following article mostly focuses on New Mexico but let's not kid ourselves, it is a nationwide problem.
If I had a son and I allowed him to play football from Pop Warner age up through high school and especially if he went on to play college ball for let's say Kirk Ferentz who, judging by his unsympathetic treatment of ARob following at least two concussions that we know about (look up his quote comparing knee injuries to concussions and also academic indigestion) takes an old-fashioned approach to concussions, I would most definitely encourage my son to smoke some dope to alleviate some discomfort caused by taking repeated shots to the head and body and vehemently discourage him from using legal opiates.
I have no idea why Greg Garmon chooses to smoke dope. A great many high school kids do, including myself at that age. I also smoked a little during college as a stress reliever and some enlightenment you might say but quit shortly thereafter. I never felt compelled to move onto stronger illegal drugs.
We need to get over this country's marijuana hysteria. Nowhere in the following article did I see anyone linking using marijuana to using harder drugs. Quite the contrary. But moving on from pills is mentioned.
The word marijuana is not mentioned. Which is unfortunate in a way as it is much safer and less addictive.
Considering the punishment and long-term damage due to prolonged hits to the head that we are just now beginning to understand (but not necessarily accept), I find it shocking that we don't prescribe medical marijuana for football players on a regular basis.
Marijuana should be legalized. No restrictions. I have no dog in the fight.
Except maybe fewer Hawkeyes, specifically running backs, would be shown the door. They would then be treated like all the underage alchohol abusers and only suspended.
From the NY Times article:
"Public health officials here say the spike is being driven primarily by prescription opioids — painkillers like oxycodone, morphine and methadone — whose sales in the state rose 131 percent during the same period. In New Mexico, the overdose death rate from prescription drugs now outstrips that from illegal drugs, the report found."
"Over the last decade, deaths from prescription drug overdoses have risen to unprecedented levels throughout the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
“'Every young person I’ve talked to that’s using heroin always started with pills,” said Jennifer Weiss, president of the Heroin Awareness Committee, formed in 2010 to curb opiate addiction in New Mexico. “It’s just been progressively getting worse.' Ms. Weiss’s own son, Cameron, a wrestler and football player at La Cueva High School, a local sports powerhouse, became addicted to prescription painkillers after a series of injuries."
Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com
Why do all of these threads turn into pro-marijuana legalization threads? Garmon broke an existing law. Legalization of MJ has little to do with it. I have empathy for him, but he broke the law. That's his problem now, isn't it?
If an Air Force Raptor pilot gets caught smoking MJ, he's not going to appeal to his superiors, stating "it's less harmful that other bad things."
Lastly, you're absolutely right that prescription opiates are a huge problem. The problem is that there are legitimate uses for these pills. Very legit. Some people suffer with acute and chronic pain that is intractable. Just making all opiates illegal would be beyond stupid.
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