That is where we disagree, I dont think Nebraska played any better O's. Infact I would say most of the O's Nebraska played were more one dimensional. That explains the other answer as well. We will see how well you all adapt to more "well rounded teams". Also if you want to throw out 2 deep QB, I will throw out what 5 deep RB.
Nebraska v. Iowa from 2000-2009: Who Was Better?
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74Hunter
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I believe that the Big 12 had 7 offenses in the top 35 in total offense last year, while the Big 10 had 3.
2010 NCAA Division I-A College Football Team Statistics Leaders for Total - ESPN
Most of those Big 12 offenses were the more dynamic spread offenses, where as some the Big 10 offenses would be considered more traditional. Which one is easier to defend? I know what Bo Pelini thinks.
I think that part of your problem is that you over estimate the quality of Big 10 teams, while totally dismissing the quality of teams in other conferences, including the Big 12.
Benddontbreak
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Well one could argue that the reason theres more big 12 offenses in the top 35 is because theyre facing weak big 12 defenses.
74Hunter
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Where as people outside of the Big 10 would say that the reason Big 10 defenses look to strong is because they play against weak Big 10 offenses (see OSUs, UMs, NWs, PSUs & MSUs bowl games).
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The Big 10 as a whole almost always has a losing record against other conferences season to season, as does the Big XII.
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Big 10 records vs. BCS conference teams (and Notre Dame)
2006 9-12
2007 10-9
2008 7-12
2009 8-10
2010 10-10
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44-53
Hawkeye11en1
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I thought the term was always "Ring around the rosies", but supposedly its "ring a ring o' roses".
Who knew?
Benddontbreak
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Meh, slightly under .500
By the way Iowa has accounted for nearly 1/4 of those wins. 10 to be exact. Gotta be more than any other B1G team?
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I am not here to say the Big 10 isn't any good. I know for a fact that whenever you mention anything about the Big 10 in OOC play, Iowa fans will yell loud and proud.
However, Hunter mentioned that rather than Big 10 offenses look bad because of playing vicious Big 10 defense, perhaps Big 10 defenses look good because they play feckless Big 10 offenses.
The numbers seem to indicate the later.
Well I think the B10 has a slight advantage in D (top 25) plus I think Teams like Pitt were ranked. I am not sure if B12 teams played other D ranked teams in non conf, but I know B10 did.
As for O rankings, I would hope when comparing a conf that passes more to one that is more balanced if not runs more, the passing conf would have more yards (remember yards dont equal points always), boosting their stats and rankings.
In the end that whole arguement will always come down to opinion, because you can find numbers that support either side.
As for which is easier to cover, you have to think some B10 teams are more run heavy, some more spread, some tried using running qb's. You name it and some teams in the B10 tried it. You can not say that about the B12. Since all B12 teams recruited and set up to stop the air attack, it would be rather easy to have even a modest running game and have sucess doing it, that would make that team look even better at running the ball. Nebraska vs Missery. Iowa vs Missery are good examples of this.
Recruiting and then covering the spread is much easier. Not to many passes go for under 3 to 4 yards, yet if you can gain that running, the chains keep moving. When you have RB's that are RB'S by vote and that team plays in your conf, how much do you need to worry about the run? So Missery was ranked in O and red zone D, but really, you knew they had no running game, so how hard are they to defend? Now not all B12 teams were as unbalanced as Missery, but they were far more unbalanced than almost all the B10 teams. So yes I would say it would be much easier to plan for and defend against the teams in the B12 compared to the teams in the B10.
This is no way a knock on NE, I think if you all had a gun slinger, you would have been one of the best balanced teams in the B12.
As for O rankings, I would hope when comparing a conf that passes more to one that is more balanced if not runs more, the passing conf would have more yards (remember yards dont equal points always), boosting their stats and rankings.
In the end that whole arguement will always come down to opinion, because you can find numbers that support either side.
As for which is easier to cover, you have to think some B10 teams are more run heavy, some more spread, some tried using running qb's. You name it and some teams in the B10 tried it. You can not say that about the B12. Since all B12 teams recruited and set up to stop the air attack, it would be rather easy to have even a modest running game and have sucess doing it, that would make that team look even better at running the ball. Nebraska vs Missery. Iowa vs Missery are good examples of this.
Recruiting and then covering the spread is much easier. Not to many passes go for under 3 to 4 yards, yet if you can gain that running, the chains keep moving. When you have RB's that are RB'S by vote and that team plays in your conf, how much do you need to worry about the run? So Missery was ranked in O and red zone D, but really, you knew they had no running game, so how hard are they to defend? Now not all B12 teams were as unbalanced as Missery, but they were far more unbalanced than almost all the B10 teams. So yes I would say it would be much easier to plan for and defend against the teams in the B12 compared to the teams in the B10.
This is no way a knock on NE, I think if you all had a gun slinger, you would have been one of the best balanced teams in the B12.
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hawkforlife9
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It's easy to try to pull out periods of time for all programs to show they suck. End of the day, the Huskers have the fourth-most all-time victories of any NCAA Division I-A team. Nebraska is one of only six football programs in NCAA Division I-A history to win 800 or more games. The Huskers are the winning-est college football program over the last 50 years, both by winning percentage and number of wins. Plus 5 National Championships. You sorta get a sense of why their fans have pride in the program. Just hope we can kick butt this fall!!
74Hunter
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We will likely not totally agree, but you make some very fair arguments for your opinion. There are different types of spread offenses, you can be more run oriented, balanced, or more pass happy. Most of the Big 12 teams tend to be more pass oriented, but some had good running backs, like OSU. I think that Bo wants us to have a run oriented spread attack, while if his time at Kansas is any indicator, Beck may want a more pass happy attack, and I hope that we have a qb who can do as much.
That being said, the reason that Bo wanted his offense to resemble that of Florida and Oregon is because he feels that type of offense is the most difficult to defend. I would say that Bo knows defense pretty well.
Back to the point that one post made: It is great that we will be able to put this debate to bed each and every year. No matter the outcome, we all have the excuses already made up. If Nebraska runs through the Big 10, Big 10 fans will say that it is a down down year. If Nebraska stumbles and bumbles its way through our first year, we can say, it's our first year in the conference with a new, inexperienced offense.
Something we can all agree on is that football season can't get here soon enough.
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In my research, the OOC team the B1G played most often was (by far) Notre Dame, obviously. The next three most frequently played opponents after that were Missouri, Iowa State, USC, and Syracuse. Full disclosure, I didn't go through those schedules with a fine-toothed comb, so there may be another team in there.
