Marty interviewing Kirk now on ESPN 1700...

[cmhawks99]

I'm a firm believer that it's the coach's job to manage all aspects of the team. That said, it shouldn't be his responsibility to get a team pumped up and motivated to play a rivalry game, that falls on the players, because honestly if their heads aren't in it there's nothing a coach can do get the best out of his players. I agree with the fact that if a starter isn't preforming it's time to get the #2 in, but aside from making substitutions its the players who need to be held accountable for not being fired up to play a trophy game.

Well said and it is a precariously fine line to toe, benching a player/calling them out or just not calling their number. We witnessed firsthand how much Mossbrucker’s confidence/ability waned after not getting called on in the clutch 2 years ago. KF got blamed for that as well from some fans, it seems he can’t win.

Chad

 

[lightning1]

Nice try at pigeon holing me into the “everyone gets a ribbon” society we have become…but that ain’t me cuz….you'd have to hustle to keep up with me and the way I challenge things. I am maniacally high strung, over the top go, go, go and I expect a ton out of myself and others. I’m the guy who calls MY boss when I’m late or screw up, so no one else can. I’m the one who comes back to the lot to fill holes in the front row if I leave and someone else left an empty spot. I’m literally a freak and my boss would tell you that. All the same you aren’t reaching very many people now a days by kicking them in the pants…

That used to still work about 10 years or so ago when I first became a manager, but it don’t work no more with very many of your guys. And it is dang hard to find good employees, players period so you don’t just get to fire’em....been down that road too….your response shows you have absolutely zero working knowledge of how to lead people in today’s world…

As over the top as I am, I tend to be very open-minded when attempting to critique others. I do have my moments of vitriol as well (like now) but God has molded me to be pretty reasonable as I get older. I’m certainly not one to get on a message board and criticize others for doing a poor job in their profession. Too bad everyone didn’t get the same treatment. People would keep their opinions closer to the vest then.

Anything else…….

Chad

I manage between 30 and 40 people, not including vendors, delivery guys, etc...
Go ahead and tell us something else you DONT know.
Accidents...happen.
Mistakes....they do to.
missed assignments....sure.
LACK of EFFORT?? not acceptable. Not in any successful enterprise.
You're telling me that if your boss saw 3 potential customers walking the lot and his sales staff were all but ignoring them, or giving half azzed effort to attempt to make a sale, he wouldnt go ape chit? Riiiigghhtt.

 

[lightning1]

I'm a firm believer that it's the coach's job to manage all aspects of the team. That said, it shouldn't be his responsibility to get a team pumped up and motivated to play a rivalry game, that falls on the players, because honestly if their heads aren't in it there's nothing a coach can do get the best out of his players. I agree with the fact that if a starter isn't preforming it's time to get the #2 in, but aside from making substitutions its the players who need to be held accountable for not being fired up to play a trophy game.

Its his responsibility to motivate his team. And if he cant motivate them, or they arent playing all out, its his job to pull them out of the game and park their azz on the bench.
He doesnt need to be a baby sitter. But, when guys arent responding, pull them out. THATS his job.

 

[lightning1]

Nice try at pigeon holing me into the “everyone gets a ribbon†society we have become…but that ain’t me cuz….you'd have to hustle to keep up with me and the way I challenge things. I am maniacally high strung, over the top go, go, go and I expect a ton out of myself and others. I’m the guy who calls MY boss when I’m late or screw up, so no one else can. I’m the one who comes back to the lot to fill holes in the front row if I leave and someone else left an empty spot. I’m literally a freak and my boss would tell you that. All the same you aren’t reaching very many people now a days by kicking them in the pants…

That used to still work about 10 years or so ago when I first became a manager, but it don’t work no more with very many of your guys. And it is dang hard to find good employees, players period so you don’t just get to fire’em....been down that road too….your response shows you have absolutely zero working knowledge of how to lead people in today’s world…

As over the top as I am, I tend to be very open-minded when attempting to critique others. I do have my moments of vitriol as well (like now) but God has molded me to be pretty reasonable as I get older. I’m certainly not one to get on a message board and criticize others for doing a poor job in their profession. Too bad everyone didn’t get the same treatment. People would keep their opinions closer to the vest then.

Anything else…….

Chad

This is enabling irresponsible employees. Whats there motivation to make sure empty spots are filled, if they know superman will come back to the lot and do it for them?
I know something about car lots, new and used. I have NEVER met an owner of a car dealership that wont stick his foot in an employees rear end, when its called for. 99% of them are hard azz bosses.
I have to call BS on your dealership job, if you are trying to tell me that your boss doesnt fit my profile, to a tee.
Tell me I'm wrong and then tell me where you work. PM me with it, if you dont want it public.

 

[cmhawks99]

I manage between 30 and 40 people, not including vendors, delivery guys, etc...
Go ahead and tell us something else you DONT know.

That's kind of what I was epecting; knowing if I was wrong you'd be powerless not to to say something. Most people will club you with it if you are wrong in which case you know where they stand. Now with that said if you are regularly brow beating employees you are NOT getting the best out of them and I’d be more than happy to call and check if you like.



Chad

PS....majore redit as I didn't like the tone I was speaking in.

 

[cmhawks99]

This is enabling irresponsible employees. Whats there motivation to make sure empty spots are filled, if they know superman will come back to the lot and do it for them?
I know something about car lots, new and used. I have NEVER met an owner of a car dealership that wont stick his foot in an employees rear end, when its called for. 99% of them are hard azz bosses.
I have to call BS on your dealership job, if you are trying to tell me that your boss doesnt fit my profile, to a tee.
Tell me I'm wrong and then tell me where you work. PM me with it, if you dont want it public.

Not anymore they aren't and I have been a manager for 10 years and I did indeed used to be a bit of a jack ***. But with tutelage and the Grace of God I've mellowed.

For the record I am very open about who I am and it is THE number once reason I get frustrated at these message boards, because most aren’t. With that said I work at Court Street Ford in Bourbonnais, Illinois and we are one of the best run Ford Stores in Chicago land and I don’t yell at people ll to much anymore and my Boss doesn’t much yell at me.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

Now that I have more time I'll break this down....see I use words for a living and as a result I am a study of human nature AND motivation. There was a time when a much younger, crass (still can be) way over the top version of me would light you up. As it is now I can still cut you pretty wide and deep without ever yelling, swearing or even saying much. I'm a bit of a mind screw still and you can see with how I talk and paint people in corners I can be a real arse....with that said yelling or firing or "benching" doesn't do much anymore.

Out here in Chicago-land we used to "mf" people (never should do that especially a servant of God but I have) sent them home, hold commissions, fire them, etc regularly and you know what we found out...people don't want to work for that guy. You can't motivate people with fear and if that's what you want out of your coaches or your managers they aren't being as effective as they can be. Furthermore the sending people home crap I've never got...the only people that works on you want there selling cars and working and the others don't care, because its a vacation!

Its a really fine line breaking people down and screwing with their heads?! Yelling, and benching doesn't work like it used to (did it even then?!?!) and if you don't "get" it then I'm glad I don't work for you...you can only lead people by example and tell them what they did wrong and how to fix it....at the end if they still don't get it sure you have the option of firing them but....replacing employees is an exceptionally expensive proposition that MOST don't get. Believe it when I tell you I have worked with somewhere near 40 finance managers, 20 other sales mangers and somewhere near 200 salesman in my travels out here in Chicago-land. It is my CURRENT store (where I have been 8 plus years) and God that has helped me to grow and understand how futile that is. In fact we have grown together as my boss and my owner were both very much like me...that crap doesn't work anymore, and I honestly wonder if it ever did.. Yes that was modus operandi for years in the car biz and most businesses really. Some, especially in the city, it still is, the rest of us and about 500 books on the subject have figured out it don't work anymore....in fact we are all big on servant leadership. That's not to say I don't still get pi*%y but I'm not at my best when I am. It just isn't effective and my boss would say the same thing and yes we are a successful store...so I guess we know what we are doing. In fact I have routinely over the years been encouraged to ratchet it down. As I said I'm high-strung.

Case in point I hate coffee clutches and complaining about each other, business, mangers etc....as a result I had a flare up today. Now I would love to fire off the so-called "cancer" but more than likely it is ALL of them at times (in fact it's human nature so I know it is) and I'd just bring in more of the same, so what's the point. I got pi^%*%y and as it turns out I was partially right and partially wrong but I still spent the afternoon off and on repairing egos and what not as I ended up opening a completely different wound that I wasn't even a part of.....
　
Honestly as I come back to this after praying with my kids it's pointless. If you don't get it you wont now....Benching works with what 1, 2 maybe, stressing "maybe" 3 out of 10 kids. Was everyone watching as KF suspended DJK for a series or quarter and Adam for a quarter etc, etc....funny thing is that made people mad too. Its always the guy from outside with no real perspective who easily criticizes. Honestly and I am truly not trying to be a jerk here, but if you don't understand the complexity of egos in a singular and group setting you'll never get this. If you don't understand the human capacity to lie to yourselves you'll never get it and if you don't get that in their mind they likely WERE giving there all then you wont get it. So now the coach (yes its his job) has to decipher who really was, who really wasn't, who was sad, upset, hurt, de-motivated, too high etc....and you guys want to sit hear and say well he should have this and that.

Well you'll have to excuse me when I say you don't know squat. Your lack of understanding of the complexity of people oozes out of your every word. Yes KF is the coach, yes it is HIS job, but no I'm not surprised he, nor Bill Belichek nor Bill Walsh, nor I always gets the best out of our people.....you guys aren't either and you really aren't if your sticking your foot up peoples arses all the time....

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

I manage between 30 and 40 people, not including vendors, delivery guys, etc...
Go ahead and tell us something else you DONT know.
Accidents...happen.
Mistakes....they do to.
missed assignments....sure.
LACK of EFFORT?? not acceptable. Not in any successful enterprise.
You're telling me that if your boss saw 3 potential customers walking the lot and his sales staff were all but ignoring them, or giving half azzed effort to attempt to make a sale, he wouldnt go ape chit? Riiiigghhtt.[/QUOTE]


Honestly I am this guy right here and yes my General manger (part owner) does as well. This is common place because they get their heads stuck up their arse possibly because they got called out, having issues at home, are being lazy, are mad at one of us etc, etc, etc….Really this is a pointless convo as I have said because if you don’t get the complexities here now, you won’t by me waxing poetic about it…

I took 2 ups myself yesterday because they were all “lost”…..So you tell them about it (sometimes haughtily I admit), tell them to stay focused and they stew, roll their eyes, etc….usually we hire more people and hopefully they are hungrier (they usually are) and the veterans pi*(& and moan about that causing new problems. The young go getters then proceeded to “wreck” the customer before we can even get involved, etc… Lots going on here that those without perspective routinely miss…if it was easy anyone could do it and they can’t. That’s why those kinds of jobs pay well, everyone thinks it’s a “hey bench’em”….”hey fire’em” type a situation and that just shows how limited their thinking skills are.

I’m done…if you want to talk more about it pm me…this is silly. Why I try so hard to get people to think these things thru a little deeper is a curse of mine.

Chad

 

[DuffMan]

He should be sick over that MINN loss. KF failed to motivate his team to match the energy level that MINN played with.
That loss is all on the head coach. It took all of 5 minutes to see the difference in intensity level, between the 2 teams. KF wasnt able to pull the team together and get them to match MINN.
That was pathetic.

You are funny. Funny like a clown.

 

[kicker22]

He should be sick over that MINN loss. KF failed to motivate his team to match the energy level that MINN played with.
That loss is all on the head coach. It took all of 5 minutes to see the difference in intensity level, between the 2 teams. KF wasnt able to pull the team together and get them to match MINN.
That was pathetic.

Question for you lightning? I'm just curious at what time we stop pinning the loss on the coaching staff and pin it on the players where it truly belongs? Unfortunately 75% of fans think like you that its always the coaches fault, it's much easier then blaming the players who aren't executing or simply fail to show up mentally for a game.

Plain and simple poor game plan is the coaches fault. Failure to mentally show up for a game or lack of heart that's on the players.

Edit: Let's point the fingers at the coaches when they're not the one's playing (sarcasm)