Stanzi #8 on SI Heisman Watch



Actually, I would agree that Ricky's inability to finish that drive should keep him out of the top contention right now. His numbers should keep him in the discussion though. So 8 seems about right. Score 3 or 4 TD's in the next couple of games - very possible - and limit mistakes and that should put him around top 5. Then close out the game against OSU and he will be right there.

Not saying he will win it, or that he has a good chance. But his name will be on the list.
 


The System Kirk plays, doesn't allow Ricky to throw for alot of yards. Many of these guys are given the opportunity to throw 25-35 times a game to really rack up the yrds. Unfortunately that's what alot of voters look at.
I would think Passing efficiency should be the top stat along with TD-Interception count, yrds per completion and completion percentage.
But thats the world we live in. Ricky is having a great year, nobody can take that away from him.
 


There's no way Stanzi wins unless he plays out of his mind the next four games. On the other hand, I think he has a good shot at being the last guy invited to New York, which would be awesome.
 


CAARHawk said:
Actually, I would agree that Ricky's inability to finish that drive should keep him out of the top contention right now. His numbers should keep him in the discussion though. So 8 seems about right. Score 3 or 4 TD's in the next couple of games - very possible - and limit mistakes and that should put him around top 5. Then close out the game against OSU and he will be right there.

Not saying he will win it, or that he has a good chance. But his name will be on the list.
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Inability to finish that drive? What game were you watching? He wasn't the one that called timeout. He was ready to spike the ball. And he didn't fail to get out of bounds, he was about to get sacked, so he dumped it off to Adam Robinson (at least he didn't just play possum and fall down like at Arizona). He won't even be invited to New York because he doesn't play in an offense that throws 70 times per game and racks up 600 yards of offense and runs the score up on opponents, but his game management isn't what is keeping him out of contention.
 


beaverdaleguy said:
Inability to finish that drive? What game were you watching? He wasn't the one that called timeout. He was ready to spike the ball. And he didn't fail to get out of bounds, he was about to get sacked, so he dumped it off to Adam Robinson (at least he didn't just play possum and fall down like at Arizona). He won't even be invited to New York because he doesn't play in an offense that throws 70 times per game and racks up 600 yards of offense and runs the score up on opponents, but his game management isn't what is keeping him out of contention.
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Or at least he didn't throw it away, oh wait that is what a quarterback should have done. I agree he won't be invited to New York, but if we win out and he doesn't throw but 1-2 more picks he will finish 4-5 in heisman voting.
 




He won't get an invite. The votes will be so heavily put on Newton and James that there will likely only be three invites this year (who that may be is anyone's guess, mine is DeMarco Murray).
 






beaverdaleguy said:
Inability to finish that drive? What game were you watching? He wasn't the one that called timeout. He was ready to spike the ball. And he didn't fail to get out of bounds, he was about to get sacked, so he dumped it off to Adam Robinson (at least he didn't just play possum and fall down like at Arizona). He won't even be invited to New York because he doesn't play in an offense that throws 70 times per game and racks up 600 yards of offense and runs the score up on opponents, but his game management isn't what is keeping him out of contention.
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Regardless of why he didn't finish that drive. He didn't finish it. That is all that counts for voters. Sorry, but it is true. If you are a QB and you have a minute of time on the clock and multiple TO's when you get the ball, people expect you to get the ball into field goal range if you are Heisman type QB.

That being said, Ricky did let himself get sacked on the next to last series, which caused the team to use a time out, while they also lost valuable yardage. This, and the coaches' poor decision to burn the final TO, influenced the dump to Robinson, who had no shot at getting out of bounds without enough time to stop the clock. Ricky knew he couldn't get sacked again and dumped the ball instead. Accordingly, both the earlier sack and the TO contributed to that ill-fated last play.
 


CAARHawk said:
Regardless of why he didn't finish that drive. He didn't finish it. That is all that counts for voters. Sorry, but it is true. If you are a QB and you have a minute of time on the clock and multiple TO's when you get the ball, people expect you to get the ball into field goal range if you are Heisman type QB.

That being said, Ricky did let himself get sacked on the next to last series, which caused the team to use a time out, while they also lost valuable yardage. This, and the coaches' poor decision to burn the final TO, influenced the dump to Robinson, who had no shot at getting out of bounds without enough time to stop the clock. Ricky knew he couldn't get sacked again and dumped the ball instead. Accordingly, both the earlier sack and the TO contributed to that ill-fated last play.
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Ask Penn St and Michigan St if they think Rick can finish drives. :rolleyes:
 




nationalchamps said:
Ask Penn St and Michigan St if they think Rick can finish drives. :rolleyes:
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His performance LAST YEAR has no bearing on THIS YEAR'S voting. Whether the fizzle at the end was on Stanzi or not, voters are going to see a drive that he failed to finish, and Heisman winners don't do that. Perception is reality, and that's CAAR's point.
 


99topdawg said:
Denard Robinson still in the top 10? Seriously?
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Why shouldn't he be? It's not his fault that the team around him (notably the defense) isn't giving him any help. The Heisman is supposed to be awarded to the best PLAYER, not the MVP of the best TEAM. And whether Michigan sucks or not doesn't change the fact that Robinson is one of the top players in the country this year.
 


tm3308 said:
He won't get an invite. The votes will be so heavily put on Newton and James that there will likely only be three invites this year (who that may be is anyone's guess, mine is DeMarco Murray).
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I would bet Kellen Moore gets an invite, as long as Andrew Luck does not take too many votes away from him out west.
 


Section136 said:
I would bet Kellen Moore gets an invite, as long as Andrew Luck does not take too many votes away from him out west.
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Ahh that's right, I forgot about Moore. He'd go before Murray. I'm not sure if Luck gets an invite or not. He's ridiculously good, though.
 


tm3308 said:
Why shouldn't he be? It's not his fault that the team around him (notably the defense) isn't giving him any help. The Heisman is supposed to be awarded to the best PLAYER, not the MVP of the best TEAM. And whether Michigan sucks or not doesn't change the fact that Robinson is one of the top players in the country this year.
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I guess to me, he put up big games against bad competition, and didn't shine against the little good competition they've played.
 


99topdawg said:
I guess to me, he put up big games against bad competition, and didn't shine against the little good competition they've played.
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His passing numbers haven't been great in his past three games, but he still rushed for 382 yards and 4 TD's in those 3 games. And it's not like he's in the top 3 or anything. #7 is a pretty fair place for him at this point.
 


I personally think, if the ceremony was held now, there would be three invitees, Cameron Newton, LaMichael James, and Kellen Moore. I think Moore gets the sympathy vote and gets invited no matter how bad his chance of winning is, similar to the Alex Smith invitation in 2004.
 


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