Rate Bowl

[NCHawker]

Just saw Keagan Johnson being covered by John Nestor

 

[M1911A1Hawkeye]

Didn’t even know that game was on. Just checked the score. 6-7 Minny

 

[Seth53]

Labas had a bad day for CMU

 

[Zstatman]

I watched a bi of the game, saw Nestor get an interception.

I was a bit surprised to learn that Fleck is undefeated in bowl games as the Minnesota coach. With the OT win he's now 7-0.

 

[Hawkboys]

I watched a bi of the game, saw Nestor get an interception.

I was a bit surprised to learn that Fleck is undefeated in bowl games as the Minnesota coach. With the OT win he's now 7-0.

They play the worst or 2nd worst B1G affiliate bowl every year so it's not really a high award overall

 

[99topdawg]

They play the worst or 2nd worst B1G affiliate bowl every year so it's not really a high award overall

This. Also, what it may show is that they have better talent than their record indicates, which means the 7-0 record shows that Fleck is the opposite of a good coach. On the other hand, it seems more often than not, Iowa gets picked for bowls that may be better than our talent should be playing in. How many times does the bowl game get announced and we think "ugh, this is going to be bad"? This year we're playing one of the first few teams out of the CFP. Maybe our coaches are too good.

 

[trj]

They play the worst or 2nd worst B1G affiliate bowl every year so it's not really a high award overall

This. Also, what it may show is that they have better talent than their record indicates, which means the 7-0 record shows that Fleck is the opposite of a good coach. On the other hand, it seems more often than not, Iowa gets picked for bowls that may be better than our talent should be playing in. How many times does the bowl game get announced and we think "ugh, this is going to be bad"? This year we're playing one of the first few teams out of the CFP. Maybe our coaches are too good.

Minnesota’s last 7 bowl games:

Quick Lane
Outback
Rate
Pinstripe
Quick Lane
Duke’s Mayo
Rate

Iowa’s last 7 bowl games:

Holiday
Outback
Citrus
Music City
Citrus
Music City
Reliaquest(Outback )

Compare/Contrast. Before the coaching change it was looking like a ISU/Minnesota bowl game…an intact ISU team is better, IMO, but Minnesota would have made it interesting.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

I watched a bi of the game, saw Nestor get an interception.

I was a bit surprised to learn that Fleck is undefeated in bowl games as the Minnesota coach. With the OT win he's now 7-0.

Ranking Fleck's record in the Big Ten since 2017 in order of accomplishments.

Respectable part of the list.
7-1 Nebraska - You go girl.
5-4 Wisconsin - Respectable
1-1 Penn State - Big win in 2019 against 11-2 Penn State.
7-0 In bowls against mostly lower tier winning teams. Best win 9-4 Auburn 2019.
3-1 Michigan State - Lost a close game against a 10-3 Michigan State team.
5-3 Purdue - Beat a 9-4 team in 21; lost to a 4-8 team in 23.
1-0 Respectable win against 7-6 So-Cal team.
1-0 UCLA - Better than Iowa did.

Meh
3-1 Rutgers - Should be 4-0
4-4 Illinois - Too many bad losses.
2-0 Indiana – Nothing notable
3-4 Northwestern - Only beat the NW teams that didn't show up.
0-4 Ohio State – Inevitable.

Hall of Shame
0-4 Michigan - Double Meh
3-3 Maryland - Need to circle these games.
1-8 Iowa - They huffed and puffed but the bronze pig stayed home.

2019 was by far their best year. I wonder if Fleck will ever match it again at Minnesota.

I don't know why I spent time on this.

 

[guffus]

The interesting part is how well Fleck has done against Neb and Wisc while stinking against Iowa. If Fleck could have just figured out how to beat Iowa, he would have a couple of Big Ten West titles by now (and would probably be coaching at higher level school by now)

The other interesting thing is how Minn can find coaches with long runs of being decent but just can't break through to ever win a title. Glenn Mason pretty much did the same thing for years. Decent teams that could never win a title.

 

[ssckelley]

I think the biggest challenge Minnesota faces is beating the Dakota schools for recruits, if they can do that then they should be able to win 6-9 games per year with an occasional 10. I don't think Minnesota can be a blue blood like they were back in the 40's. They have a solid recruiting base in the Twin Cities but their biggest obstacle is they compete with hockey for athletes. So I think the job Fleck is doing is the best they can hope for, if they get greedy like Nebraska they could wind up like they were in the Jim Wacker days struggling just to win 1 Big Ten game per year.

 

[kameltoez102]

I think the biggest challenge Minnesota faces is beating the Dakota schools for recruits, if they can do that then they should be able to win 6-9 games per year with an occasional 10. I don't think Minnesota can be a blue blood like they were back in the 40's. They have a solid recruiting base in the Twin Cities but their biggest obstacle is they compete with hockey for athletes. So I think the job Fleck is doing is the best they can hope for, if they get greedy like Nebraska they could wind up like they were in the Jim Wacker days struggling just to win 1 Big Ten game per year.

I think their biggest challenge in the atmosphere of college football is the high amount of competition for money. The gophers are third if not 4th or fifth fiddle when competing for money. I also think PJ not being able to retain some coaches has hurt their progression in some years.

Don’t know if it has changed but I know a few years ago PJ was not a real popular guy within the athletic department with the other coaches. The row the boat and ego ran thin with several

 

[ssckelley]

I think their biggest challenge in the atmosphere of college football is the high amount of competition for money. The gophers are third if not 4th or fifth fiddle when competing for money. I also think PJ not being able to retain some coaches has hurt their progression in some years.

Don’t know if it has changed but I know a few years ago PJ was not a real popular guy within the athletic department with the other coaches. The row the boat and ego ran thin with several

That's true as well and it you're probably right that it all boils down to money with the underlying reasons being what I mentioned. Again, they LOVE hockey up north as they are a power house in both men's and women's hockey and I'm sure that takes money as well. Twin Cities has never been a big college football town, the big football fans up there care about their Vikings and that's about it. We call it Kinnick North for a reason.

 

[Seth53]

Ranking Fleck's record in the Big Ten since 2017 in order of accomplishments.

Respectable part of the list.
7-1 Nebraska - You go girl.
5-4 Wisconsin - Respectable
1-1 Penn State - Big win in 2019 against 11-2 Penn State.
7-0 In bowls against mostly lower tier winning teams. Best win 9-4 Auburn 2019.
3-1 Michigan State - Lost a close game against a 10-3 Michigan State team.
5-3 Purdue - Beat a 9-4 team in 21; lost to a 4-8 team in 23.
1-0 Respectable win against 7-6 So-Cal team.
1-0 UCLA - Better than Iowa did.

Meh
3-1 Rutgers - Should be 4-0
4-4 Illinois - Too many bad losses.
2-0 Indiana – Nothing notable
3-4 Northwestern - Only beat the NW teams that didn't show up.
0-4 Ohio State – Inevitable.

Hall of Shame
0-4 Michigan - Double Meh
3-3 Maryland - Need to circle these games.
1-8 Iowa - They huffed and puffed but the bronze pig stayed home.

2019 was by far their best year. I wonder if Fleck will ever match it again at Minnesota.

I don't know why I spent time on this.

Nicely done