Major B1G Upset Opens Door for Iowa

NorthKCHawk said:
Fry, don't make me prove you wrong linguistically!

Yes, "Championship" suggests that the "champion" is better than all others. True. However, you kind of ignore that the word is modified with the "Co" thing at the beginning. Co, means joint or mutual or together. So, the 2 (or 3 or 4) teams that are declared cochampions are all jointly champions. They are all mutually and as a group better than anyone else. Co does not mean "tied with." For your argument to have validity, you would need the letters "Co" to mean something they do not. Sorry, give it up. You be wrong on this one! :)
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I'm not a lawyer, but I can still twist language around all day long with the rest of you.

As intelligent as I am you'd think I would've made something out of myself, but alas here I am parked in my aunt's expired tag Corolla outside a Super 8 leeching wifi and posting on HN.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
Fry, don't make me prove you wrong linguistically!

Yes, "Championship" suggests that the "champion" is better than all others. True. However, you kind of ignore that the word is modified with the "Co" thing at the beginning. Co, means joint or mutual or together. So, the 2 (or 3 or 4) teams that are declared cochampions are all jointly champions. They are all mutually and as a group better than anyone else. Co does not mean "tied with." For your argument to have validity, you would need the letters "Co" to mean something they do not. Sorry, give it up. You be wrong on this one! :)
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No one was saying "co-" before I brought it up as being a tie. People were saying Iowa had won a Big Ten championship which is false.

As an olive branch of kindness, I hereby make a rule that 02/04 will henceforth and in perpetuity be referred to on HN as the year Iowa won the co-Big Ten championship. That is my final offer, and I'm conceding way more than any of you are. Take the deal.
 






Fryowa said:
So Iowa doesn't have the '04 B1G trophy in the case, it has a '04 B1G trophy in the case... ;)
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That's what Co-Champion means. More than one team shared the title. In a word, Duh.

If the B1G said "Neither gets a trophy" you'd have a better point.
 
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Fryowa said:
No one was saying "co-" before I brought it up as being a tie. People were saying Iowa had won a Big Ten championship which is false.

As an olive branch of kindness, I hereby make a rule that 02/04 will henceforth and in perpetuity be referred to on HN as the year Iowa won the co-Big Ten championship. That is my final offer, and I'm conceding way more than any of you are. Take the deal.
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I accept your terms!

Are you going to make some weird macro rule that automatically changes it to that when anyone types it.

Like you did for D O C T O R Tom??!!!
 




Fryowa said:
I'm not a lawyer, but I can still twist language around all day long with the rest of you.

As intelligent as I am you'd think I would've made something out of myself, but alas here I am parked in my aunt's expired tag Corolla outside a Super 8 leeching wifi and posting on HN.
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BigD said:
Could be worse. Could have been a motel 6. Good thing they "leave the light on for yah" or else you might want a police escort to front door of your room.
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I've stayed in some pretty f'n sketchy places in my life. Some were because of honest to god financial reasons when I was younger, others were because I'm a tight-ass.
 


What I saw and how Iowa played against Indiana (that is until I see if Indiana fares against Oregon) tells me that with Gronk at the helm, we can play with and potentially beat anyone on the rest of the schedule. Whether that happens remains to be seen. But Iowa went toe to toe with Indiana.

I still contend if Gronk doesn't go down, we win that game. I am also hoping with the addition of Vander Zee and getting back a few backs healthy, we continue to grow and get better. Still a lot of "what if's". Iowa could also crap the bed and lose every game on their remaining schedule.
 


HawkPowerlifter said:
What I saw and how Iowa played against Indiana (that is until I see if Indiana fares against Oregon) tells me that with Gronk at the helm, we can play with and potentially beat anyone on the rest of the schedule. Whether that happens remains to be seen. But Iowa went toe to toe with Indiana.

I still contend if Gronk doesn't go down, we win that game. I am also hoping with the addition of Vander Zee and getting back a few backs healthy, we continue to grow and get better. Still a lot of "what if's". Iowa could also crap the bed and lose every game on their remaining schedule.
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Those games show how major conference football almost always comes down to just a few minor details. The Indiana game if you change the outcome of just one of 3 single plays we win that game. Either convert that 3rd down, make the FG, or erase the most bone-headed roughing the passer penalty in the history of Iowa football and you win that game.

Remember the brain fart touching the punt by Shaun Beyer way back in that Wisconsin game that Iowa 100% had to win? A single play.

Yeah you have to play a whole game and you have to have athletes to compete at this level. Yes there's a hundred and some snaps that all lead up to the "little details" plays. But I really think any somewhat equal matchup comes down to who gets those little details right.
 


Fryowa said:
Those games show how major conference football almost always comes down to just a few minor details. The Indiana game if you change the outcome of just one of 3 single plays we win that game. Either convert that 3rd down, make the FG, or erase the most bone-headed roughing the passer penalty in the history of Iowa football and you win that game.

Remember the brain fart touching the punt by Shaun Beyer way back in that Wisconsin game that Iowa 100% had to win? A single play.

Yeah you have to play a whole game and you have to have athletes to compete at this level. Yes there's a hundred and some snaps that all lead up to the "little details" plays. But I really think any somewhat equal matchup comes down to who gets those little details right.
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Good analysis and I agree with the post that if Gron doesn't go down, we win. We could have used his legs to salt that one away. But, our back-up QB needed to be ready to not short arm that screen. These are 20 year old kids with a lot of pressure on them. They are far from perfect. Makes the game so fun.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
Good analysis and I agree with the post that if Gron doesn't go down, we win. We could have used his legs to salt that one away. But, our back-up QB needed to be ready to not short arm that screen. These are 20 year old kids with a lot of pressure on them. They are far from perfect. Makes the game so fun.
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I'll also somewhat contradict my point in that I think the difference between an Iowa and Georgia or whoever isn't so much the intelligence of the players or the level of coaching talent, it's having such insanely deep rosters of elite athletes that a school like that can make up for those small mistakes. A Georgia would be able to over come that idiotic roughing the passer because they usually have a 20 point lead at that point and their defense wouldn't usually let a WR slip like that to score as the clock expires.

A team like Iowa doesn't have that luxury and has to operate on razor thin margins. They have to be more perfect with execution and details.

Unfortunately sometimes those little mistakes show up against an Indiana or Illinois or Minnesota instead of Ohio State, and then you get mouth breathing idiots online who say the coach needs to get fired and the team sucks.
 


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