UI's clarification of Tailgating Policy = DUI maker

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CAARHawk

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The UI has clarified their rules for post-game tailgating. People can drink up to an hour after a substantial number of fans leave the stadium, but must end all tailgating activities within 2 hours.

You do the math.

I actually got a DUI in high school for the exact same type of policy. I was at a party. The cops broke it up and told everyone that anyone left at the party in a half hour would go to jail. They then drove around the corner and waited with their lights off for the first car to drive past so that they could pull them over for a DUI.

I say let the people drink for an hour after the game and then do a live post game show for an hour after that in a section of the park lot that is cordoned off with no alcohol allowed. Let the fans who need to burn off a little BAC come over and sit and watch some assistant coaches and a couple of players get interviewed with some good video highlights, and give em some food, water, soft drinks, etc. Then send people on their way. In any event, you need to let people have at least 2 hours to burn off BAC.

Giving them only one hour is a prime way of sending people out on the road hammered.
 




Look pal, it ain't a high school party in Guthrie Center or whatever podunk town you're from. Even two hours after the game, there will be far too many cars to pull over and the overwhelming majority of people driving out will be under .08. This ain't some DUI trap, it's just another incremental step in drying out the campus.
 




CAARHawk,

You have 3 hours at the game to get sobered up, then 2 additional hours after the stands are "substantially empty". Considering it takes until about 2:30 for the stands to get "substantially empty" that means you arent on the road until 4:30. Which means if you are there for the start of the game you have 5 and a half hours to "sober up" before driving.

It strikes me that if you cant get sober in five and a half hours of non-drinking than you are EXACTLY the type of fall down drunk person the UI is hoping to weed out. God forbid some people actually show some self restraint and responsible behaviour. It's not like the UI (or the cops in your instance) is forcing you to drink prior to driving.

People are expected to be responsible in thier drinking every other day of the year what makes game days different?
 


cjhawks said:
This.

After a full morning/day of tailgating, why would you feel the need to return to your vehicle after the game and start drinking again? Especially if you do not have a DD.
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Sometimes, that "bringdown" beer is needed to fight off a headache that came from the morning drinking, but other than that, no need to get sloppy after the ball game unless it's a 2:30 or 7 kickoff and you're heading downtown afterward.
 


CAARHawk said:
The UI has clarified their rules for post-game tailgating. People can drink up to an hour after a substantial number of fans leave the stadium, but must end all tailgating activities within 2 hours.

You do the math.

I actually got a DUI in high school for the exact same type of policy. I was at a party. The cops broke it up and told everyone that anyone left at the party in a half hour would go to jail. They then drove around the corner and waited with their lights off for the first car to drive past so that they could pull them over for a DUI.

I say let the people drink for an hour after the game and then do a live post game show for an hour after that in a section of the park lot that is cordoned off with no alcohol allowed. Let the fans who need to burn off a little BAC come over and sit and watch some assistant coaches and a couple of players get interviewed with some good video highlights, and give em some food, water, soft drinks, etc. Then send people on their way. In any event, you need to let people have at least 2 hours to burn off BAC.

Giving them only one hour is a prime way of sending people out on the road hammered.
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Interesting suggestion but in this scenario the organizer of the post-game event may leave themselves open to have assumed liability should anyone under the influence leave the event and get into an accident, since the organizers hosted them -- even for a non-alcoholic event -- but did not stop them if they left inebriated.
 


CAARHawk said:
The UI has clarified their rules for post-game tailgating. People can drink up to an hour after a substantial number of fans leave the stadium, but must end all tailgating activities within 2 hours.

You do the math.

I actually got a DUI in high school for the exact same type of policy. I was at a party. The cops broke it up and told everyone that anyone left at the party in a half hour would go to jail. They then drove around the corner and waited with their lights off for the first car to drive past so that they could pull them over for a DUI.

I say let the people drink for an hour after the game and then do a live post game show for an hour after that in a section of the park lot that is cordoned off with no alcohol allowed. Let the fans who need to burn off a little BAC come over and sit and watch some assistant coaches and a couple of players get interviewed with some good video highlights, and give em some food, water, soft drinks, etc. Then send people on their way. In any event, you need to let people have at least 2 hours to burn off BAC.

Giving them only one hour is a prime way of sending people out on the road hammered.
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Why should the University have to spend money to get people to sober up, just because they said you can tailgate for an hour after the game doesn't mean go ape **** and get hammered, and they aren't saying you have an hour to drink alcohol after the game even though we know that is part of tailgating, but it doesn't have to be.
 




Everybody. I understand that you should have 5 hours to sober up if you don't drink after the game. The issue is that the UI is deciding to give people an hour to drink after the game.

See what I am saying about doing the math?

You either don't allow them to drink after the game, or you allow them more time to stay in the parking lots after the hour.

Do you get that?

Oh, BTW I grew up in Los Angeles.
 


okeefe4prez said:
Sometimes, that "bringdown" beer is needed to fight off a headache that came from the morning drinking, but other than that, no need to get sloppy after the ball game unless it's a 2:30 or 7 kickoff and you're heading downtown afterward.
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I see your point. I guess I've always found that drinking water during and after the game accomplishes the same thing.

But each person has their own method, and I can respect that.
 


CAARHawk said:
Everybody. I understand that you should have 5 hours to sober up if you don't drink after the game. The issue is that the UI is deciding to give people an hour to drink after the game.

See what I am saying about doing the math?

You either don't allow them to drink after the game, or you allow them more time to stay in the parking lots after the hour.

Do you get that?

Oh, BTW I grew up in Los Angeles.
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This. What's the point of giving people an hour after the game to drink if they shouldn't do it?
 


Again they are allowing it. If a reasonable person was concerned that they would not be leagal to drive in the two hour period after the game, they would not consume in that hour even if allowed to.

I'm allowed to drink anything I want while I am at lunch. However I'm not allowed to be at work drunk. If I drink 4 long islands while at lunch, there are going to consequences when I get back to the office, even though my work doesn't have a policy against me drinking at lunch.

Again people there is no hypocrypsie, there is no double standard. Drink and behave responsibly and you will have zero problems.
 


CAARHawk said:
Everybody. I understand that you should have 5 hours to sober up if you don't drink after the game. The issue is that the UI is deciding to give people an hour to drink after the game.

See what I am saying about doing the math?

You either don't allow them to drink after the game, or you allow them more time to stay in the parking lots after the hour.

Do you get that?

Oh, BTW I grew up in Los Angeles.
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Guess how successful Per-Mar, UI police, sheriff, etc. would be telling approximately 50k people that absolutely no alcohol is allowed in the parking lot after the game?

Here's a hint: slim and none, with slim taking a one way flight to never never land.

The authorities will have their hands full the way it is with traffic control anyway. You can't simply tell people it's not allowed, just like it would be counter-productive to allow extended tailgating in the parking lots after the game.
 


CAARHawk said:
Everybody. I understand that you should have 5 hours to sober up if you don't drink after the game. The issue is that the UI is deciding to give people an hour to drink after the game.

See what I am saying about doing the math?

You either don't allow them to drink after the game, or you allow them more time to stay in the parking lots after the hour.

Do you get that?

Oh, BTW I grew up in Los Angeles.
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tm3308 said:
This. What's the point of giving people an hour after the game to drink if they shouldn't do it?
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Because they figure you're smart enough to have a DD or not drive. What is so hard to grasp?
 


hawkeyescott said:
Why should the University have to spend money to get people to sober up, just because they said you can tailgate for an hour after the game doesn't mean go ape **** and get hammered, and they aren't saying you have an hour to drink alcohol after the game even though we know that is part of tailgating, but it doesn't have to be.
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It takes the average person one hour after drinking to metabolize one standard drink of alcohol.

I think it is funny about all the people who keep saying you should have a DD. That is not the point. If everyone had a DD then it wouldn't matter about people partying in the lots for any amount of time. They are making people stop drinking 1 hour and leave within 2 hours to reduce alcohol consumption. That is the stated goal of the policy.

The issue is the potential unintended consequence that the policy might actually induce more DUI's. This is often the type of result that occurs from policies that try to satisfy two different goals. In this case, it is to placate the people that want to drink after the game and those that want to reduce alcohol consumption.

Decisions of these types, which require collaborative solutions need more than compromising policies. Compromising policies end up making nobody happy in the end.

The whole you shouldn't drink or you should have a DD argument is a red-herring.
 
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tm3308 said:
This. What's the point of giving people an hour after the game to drink if they shouldn't do it?
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Why is it so hard to understand that saying you are allowed to do something and saying you should do something are two different things?

I'm not blasted at the end of the game (or before it for that matter). If I want to have a post game beer than fine. If you are blasted after and are concerned about it then don't (even though you are allowed).
 


I dont have any problem with the UI trying to get more invested in stopping people drinking and driving.

I do have a problem with the perception that they are trying to sterilize the Melrose area. Also, there is no way they can enforce the open container policy.
 




Getting everyone to curtail drinking around the stadium seems kind of futile.

Having said that (and I know it might not ever really be possible) I would be fine if:

1. Drunk Driving laws were SEVERE, and
2. They step up enforcement of drunk driving.

Maybe if those things happened, there would be some incentive for people to control/modify their own behavior. So, you can drink, but you'd better not drive drunk.

People need some incentive to stop driving drunk. Here in good 'ol Wisky, the first DUI is a ticket, I believe. I may have some "transferrence" issues here, as I've had two friends killed by drunk drivers.

I drink pretty regularly, but I don't drive drunk.

I think Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" said it best: "Stop breaking the law, a@@hole!"
 


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